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Old September 23rd, 2016, 05:56 PM   #11081
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The problem with Chinese bus search engines is that they are all Chinese to me, and I suspect some others.
Listing the posts that actually quote bus prices in recent discussion:
Grunnen,
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...ostcount=10948
Shenzhen-Guilin 232 yuan
hkskyline,
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...ostcount=10953
Shanghai-Qingdao 258 yuan
dixiadetie
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...ostcount=10984
Guangzhou-Shaoguan 100 yuan
Pansori:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...ostcount=10987
Hangzhou-Shanghai 100 yuan
dixiadetie:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...ostcount=10992
Guangzhou-Shenzhen 60 yuan
hkskyline
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...ostcount=11050
Beijing-Changsha 320 yuan
Pansori:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...ostcount=11051
Guangzhou-Nanning 150-200 yuan
hkskyline:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...ostcount=11077
Guangzhou-Nanning 140 yuan

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Old September 24th, 2016, 12:02 AM   #11082
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Now, we have a set of 7 routes. What do slow trains cost?
Shenzhen-Guilin: K952, 13:29, hard seat 128 yuan 5 jiao
Shanghai-Qingdao: no slow direct trains
Guangzhou-Shaoguan East: hard seat 37 yuan 5 jiao
Hangzhou-Shanghai South: hard seat 28 yuan 5 jiao
Guangzhou-Shenzhen: hard seat 23 yuan 5 jiao
Beijing-Changsha: hard seat 189 yuan 5 jiao
Guangzhou-Nanning: hard seat 105 yuan

See the result! With the exception of the single route Shanghai-Qingdao, where no direct K trains run, on 6 routes out of 6, riding a hard seat on a K train is a large saving compared to bus, ranging from 35 to 130 yuan and from 25 to 70 % off the bus price.
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Old September 29th, 2016, 07:42 AM   #11083
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"The Badaling section of the Great Wall will soon offer another unique attraction-the world's deepest and largest high-speed railway station."



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Old September 29th, 2016, 07:49 PM   #11084
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Old September 30th, 2016, 03:04 AM   #11085
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A new station building along the Beijing-Zhangjiakou line.

QINGHE station in Beijing ...

http://www.arepgroup.com/news/63/are...ailway_station


http://www.groupalive.com/urban-plan...14-in-beijing/



I wonder ( a working concept? ) ...

Beijing North Station

http://www.groupalive.com/urban-plan...14-in-beijing/
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Old September 30th, 2016, 09:19 AM   #11086
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A new station building along the Beijing-Zhangjiakou line.

QINGHE station in Beijing ...

I wonder ( a working concept? ) ...

Beijing North Station
Shall HSR also serve Qinghuayuan Station?
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Old September 30th, 2016, 03:00 PM   #11087
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Are there any railway map for Beijing?
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Old September 30th, 2016, 08:36 PM   #11088
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Shall HSR also serve Qinghuayuan Station [清华园站]?
It's on the line according to https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%BA...93%81%E8%B7%AF .
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Old October 13th, 2016, 03:53 PM   #11089
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Train journeys hit record high during National Day holiday

BEIJING, Oct. 8 (Xinhua) -- China saw a significant increase in train travel as millions of Chinese people traveled during Golden Week, the National Day holiday, according to official data on Saturday.

From September 28 to October 7, 108.34 million passengers made train journeys, up 9.7 percent year on year, according to the China Railway Corporation.

On October 1, 14.42 million train journeys were made, the highest number of journeys made on a single day during the holiday period.

Eight railway bureaus, including Zhengzhou, Jinan and Shanghai, reported passenger increases of over 10 percent.

During the 10-day travel rush, railway authorities put an extra 1,000 trains in service to cope with the surging demand, including about 800 high-speed bullet trains.

Bullet trains transported 54.09 million passengers during the holiday period, an increase of 24.6 percent year on year.
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Old October 15th, 2016, 10:23 AM   #11090
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Some connections:
Tier 2:
Wuhan:
Wuhan-Guangzhou: 54 G trains, 3:43 to 4:39
Wuhan-Beijing: 27 G trains, 4:19 to 6:11
Wuhan-Shanghai: 3 G and 20 D trains, 4:12 to 6:41
Zhengzhou:
Zhengzhou-Guangzhou: 23 G trains, 5:30 to 7:07
Zhengzhou-Beijing: 60 G trains, 2:30 to 3:55
Zhengzhou-Shanghai: 21 G trains, 4:00 to 5:30
Hefei:
Hefei-Guangzhou: 3 G trains, 6:13 to 9:03
Hefei-Beijing: 14 G trains, 3:59 to 5:14
Hefei-Shanghai: 23 D and 26 G trains, 2:08 to 4:02
Nanchang:
Nanchang-Guangzhou: 11 G trains, 3:47 to 4:57
Nanchang-Beijing: 3 G trains, 8:03 to 9:33
Nanchang-Shanghai: 30 G trains, 3:03 to 4:29
Nanjing:
Nanjing-Guangzhou: 2 G trains, 7:11 and 8:35
Nanjing-Beijing: 65 G trains, 3:39 to 4:48
Nanjing-Shanghai: 222 D and G trains, 1:07 to 3:21
Hangzhou:
Hangzhou-Guangzhou: 5 G trains, 6:03 to 7:44
Hangzhou-Beijing: 14 G trains, 5:00 to 6:46
Hangzhou-Shanghai: 128 D and G trains, 0:45 to 1:44
Changsha:
Changsha-Shanghai: 24 G trains daily, 4:26 to 6:38
Changsha-Beijing: 15 G trains daily, 5:40 to 7:26
Changsha-Guangzhou South: 106 G trains daily, 2:22 to 3:01.
Tier 3:
Xuzhou:
Xuxhou-Guangzhou: 2 G trains, 8:22 and 9:04
Xuzhou-Beijing: 61 G trains, 2:39 to 3:22
Xuzhou-Shanghai: 76 D and G trains, 2:23 to 3:34
Bengbu:
Bengbu-Guangzhou: only 1 K train, 1:00:03
Bengbu-Beijing: 26 G trains, 3:28 to 4:03
Bengbu-Shanghai: 27 G trains, 1:57 to 2:42
Shangrao:
Shangrao-Guangzhou: 6 G trains, 5:06 to 6:10
Shangrao-Beijing: 7 G trains, 6:11 to 8:13
Shangrao-Shanghai: 2 D and 33 G trains, 2:34 to 3:17
The goal of that search was:
There are 3 first tier cities in China (Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou)
mere look at HSR "map" will not give service frequencies
so - which 2nd or 3rd tier cities have good connectivity to all 3 first tier cities?
The answer seems to be that all are poor. Cities on Beijing-Guangzhou HSR (Wuhan, Zhengzhou) are far from Shanghai, and cities off it are poorly connected to Beijing (Nanchang, Shangrao) or Guangzhou (Nanjing, Hefei, Xuzhou, Bengbu).
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Old October 16th, 2016, 10:30 PM   #11091
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Train journeys hit record high during National Day holiday

BEIJING, Oct. 8 (Xinhua) -- China saw a significant increase in train travel as millions of Chinese people traveled during Golden Week, the National Day holiday, according to official data on Saturday.

From September 28 to October 7, 108.34 million passengers made train journeys, up 9.7 percent year on year, according to the China Railway Corporation.

On October 1, 14.42 million train journeys were made, the highest number of journeys made on a single day during the holiday period.

Eight railway bureaus, including Zhengzhou, Jinan and Shanghai, reported passenger increases of over 10 percent.

During the 10-day travel rush, railway authorities put an extra 1,000 trains in service to cope with the surging demand, including about 800 high-speed bullet trains.

Bullet trains transported 54.09 million passengers during the holiday period, an increase of 24.6 percent year on year.
That is a very healthy increase. However, one need to compare the increase in total km of high speed length in order to deduce the exact growth on already in service lines. They will be a better indication.

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Old October 16th, 2016, 10:30 PM   #11092
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A new station building along the Beijing-Zhangjiakou line.

QINGHE station in Beijing ...

http://www.arepgroup.com/news/63/are...ailway_station


http://www.groupalive.com/urban-plan...14-in-beijing/



I wonder ( a working concept? ) ...

Beijing North Station

http://www.groupalive.com/urban-plan...14-in-beijing/
I think this is mostly for Winter Olympics..
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Old October 17th, 2016, 04:51 AM   #11093
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That is a very healthy increase. However, one need to compare the increase in total km of high speed length in order to deduce the exact growth on already in service lines. They will be a better indication.

Source : http://english.gov.cn/news/top_news/...5274283243.htm

China invested big in railway construction in 2015. A total of 823.8 billion yuan ($125.6 billion) was pumped into the sector, and 9,531 km of railway lines started carrying passengers and goods.

Around 3,300 km of the new lines were for high-speed trains. China boasts the world’s largest high-speed railway network, with an operating length of 19,000 km at the end of 2015, accounting for 60 percent of the world’s total.

Source : http://english.cctv.com/2016/09/17/V...M7160917.shtml

A new train line that makes cross-country trips faster has opened just in time for the end of the Mid-Autumn festival. The new high-speed train links Zhengzhou in central China's Henan Province with Xuzhou in the eastern Jiangsu Province. The 360-kilometer line has nine stations. It links two other major high-speed rail lines.

It took less than four-and-a-half years to complete this 362-kilometer line -- its cost was just under 48 billion yuan, or about 7.5 billion US dollars. The completion of the line takes the total length of China's high-speed rail network beyond the 20,000 kilometre mark.
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Old October 17th, 2016, 05:29 PM   #11094
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Beijing-Shenyang HSR ready for 2019
China Daily Excerpt
Oct. 17, 2016


A view of the Liaoning section of the Beijing-Shenyang HSR which is under construction. [Photo/Xinhua]


Part of the Liaoning section of the Beijing-Shenyang HSR. [Photo/Xinhua]


Construction of a high speed railway (HSR) linking Beijing with Northeast China’s Shenyang city is underway, Xinhua reported on Oct 16.

The 709-kilometer Beijing-Shenyang HSR starts at Xinghuo Railway Station in Beijing and connects Chengde in Hebei province with Chaoyang and Fuxing in Liaoning province, before eventually reaching Shenyang.

The line began construction in July 2014, with a total investment of 124.5 billion yuan ($20.4 billion).

Upon completion, expected during 2019, the new line will shorten the current journey time of 6 hours journey to just 2.5 hours, as it can accommodate trains traveling speeds of up to 350 km per hour, and only 20 stations will be constructed along the new line.
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I think this is mostly for Winter Olympics..
Shall there be a high speed railway through Beijing to connect Beijing North with Daxing airport on the other side of central Beijing?
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Shall there be a high speed railway through Beijing to connect Beijing North with Daxing airport on the other side of central Beijing?
I am not sure about that. However, as far as I recall, Daxing project will have high speed rail connection to Beijing South Railway Station.
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Shall there be a high speed railway through Beijing to connect Beijing North with Daxing airport on the other side of central Beijing?
I can not consider this a high priority as Line 4 of the Beijing Metro connects Beijing South with Xizhimen (which neighbours Beijing North Station). This is despite the Winter Olympic considerations. North South traffic demands would not be as great as the East West demands which has only seen the connection between Beijing and Beijing West stations being recently built.

However, what comes next after the current 4 East West and 4 North South lines currently in various stages of planning and construction are built across Beijing, Hebei and Tianjin. Anything is frankly possible and would not surprise me.
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New high-speed railway to connect East and West China
Oct. 17, 2016
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The Hukun (Shanghai-Kunming) High-Speed Railway (HSR), completed this June, will open to traffic on Nov 30, shortening the distance between Shanghai and Kunming from more than 40 hours to around 10.

The residents living in Kunshan and surrounding cities, will now be able to take advantage of easier access to Shanghai, and be able to feast their eyes on the beautiful scenery while enjoying the dining options provided by the train company.

The 2,264-kilometer railway, stretching from the coastal city of Shanghai in the east, to Kunming, capital of Southwest China's Yunnan province, boasts the longest HSR traversing the breadth of the country. The railway is designed for trains traveling at speeds of up to 350 km per hour.

The new trains will be different from the current HSR trains which are usually white. The new HSR trains will be grey and bullet-shaped, hence the nickname "bullet trains".

A variety of conveniences for passengers will also be available on the new trains, including microwave ovens and refrigerators to allow passengers more ways to store and heat their own food, as at present they can only use the boiling water to cook instant noodles.
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The Hukun (Shanghai-Kunming) High-Speed Railway (HSR), completed this June, will open to traffic on Nov 30, shortening the distance between Shanghai and Kunming from more than 40 hours to around 10.

The residents living in Kunshan and surrounding cities, will now be able to take advantage of easier access to Shanghai,
Kunshan already lies on Shanghai-Nanjing high speed railway.
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A 10-hour journey from Shanghai to Kunming will not be competitive with commercial air travel. By the time you make it out to Hongqiao, you may as well fly the rest of the way.
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