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Old November 2nd, 2016, 01:14 PM   #11121
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Any news about the Baoji-Lanzhou HSR? It should be 350 km/h and not 250 km/h...
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Baoji–Lanzhou 250 km/h year 2017 401 km PDL 10

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Any plans about a 350 km/h Shanghai- Wuhan - Chongqing HSR line?

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Under the new strategy there are two PDL Shanghai- Wuhan - Chongqing, both have number 12.
But I know of no plan for 350 km/h for sections, such as Chongqing-Lichuan, 200 km/h from 28/12/2013.

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Old November 2nd, 2016, 02:02 PM   #11122
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More updates maps, in spanish:
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Old November 2nd, 2016, 02:45 PM   #11123
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Jiaozuo-Zhengzhou high speed railway is now served by C trains, that now take 34 minutes to cover 78 km nonstop.
Making another example of how CRH sucks:
The nonstop traina on the 78 km, electrified HSR route take 34 minutes.
With 1 stop, the time is 42 minutes. With 2 stops, 48 minutes. With 3 stops, 52 to 58 minutes.
For comparison, I sit at an end of a 78 km unelectrified line, limited to 120 km/h and served by diesel multiple units.
With 2 stops, they take 52...53 minutes for the voyage. With 7 stops, still just 61...62 minutes!
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Old November 2nd, 2016, 03:31 PM   #11124
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The map I posted above was not complete.





Now there's also the Guangzhou-Shenzhen HSR line (350 km/h)


Very beautiful HSR network indeed...



1. Baoji- Lanzhou HSR line

Lanzhou has a strategic position for China, in order to connect the Chinese heartland with both Tibet and Xinjiang..
I don't understand why the 350 km/h line (Xuzhou-Zhengzhou-Xi'an) should stop in Baoji..


2. Shanghai-Wuhan-Chongqing HSR line

Frankly speaking if there's (already) a 350 km/h Shanghai-Kunming HSR line (Guiyang-Kunming opening soon),
I don't understand why China couldn't have a Shanghai-Wuhan-Chongqing (Chengdu) 350 km/h HSR line too..




Any news about the opening of the other 4 HSR lines (still) missing?


1) Beijing-Shenyang

2) Beijing-Hohhot

3) Shenzhen-Hong Kong

4) Shijiazhuang-Jinan


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Old November 2nd, 2016, 04:38 PM   #11125
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1. Baoji- Lanzhou HSR line

Lanzhou has a strategic position for China, in order to connect the Chinese heartland with both Tibet and Xinjiang..
I don't understand why the 350 km/h line (Xuzhou-Zhengzhou-Xi'an) should stop in Baoji..
For the flagrantly obvious reason that Wei Valley does. Between Baoji and Lanzhou, there are mountains, and therefore it is not practical to build a 350 km/h line.
What I don't understand is why there should be a 250 km/h line Lanzhou-Xining, through mountains, and beyond to Urumqi, but not a 250 km/h line Lanzhou-Baoji.
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Old November 2nd, 2016, 04:51 PM   #11126
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Serious answers plz




New high-speed rail to shorten Xiamen-Hangzhou travel time to 4 hours



Currently, it takes about 6.5 hours to travel from Xiamen to Hangzhou via G-type (高铁)high speed railway. That time will be shortened by two hours upon completion of a new high-speed rail linking Hangzhou to Wenzhou. Work on the new rail line is scheduled to be completed by 2022.

With a design speed of 350 kilometers per hour, the new high-speed rail will quickly cross the more than 300 kilometers from Hangzhou to Wenzhou.

Starting from June 26th, residents on Xiamen Island who plan to travel from Xiamen to Hangzhou by train no longer need to bother going to Xiamen North Railway Station. A new train service linking Xiamen Railway Station and Hangzhou East Railway Station has been launched.

The newly launched G1680 takes 6 hours and 18 minutes to travel from Xiamen to Hangzhou.

http://www.whatsonxiamen.com/news39853.html
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Old November 2nd, 2016, 08:04 PM   #11127
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According to the map CRH still runs on the old Shanghai-Nanjing Railway? What type of trains run on that? I'd like to see the difference of CRH on the conventional vs dedicated high speed line.
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Old November 3rd, 2016, 10:34 AM   #11128
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Serious answers plz
It is serious.
Shijiazhuang-Taiyuan, through Taihangshan, is slower as well.
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Making another example of how CRH sucks:
The nonstop traina on the 78 km, electrified HSR route take 34 minutes.
With 1 stop, the time is 42 minutes. With 2 stops, 48 minutes. With 3 stops, 52 to 58 minutes.
For comparison, I sit at an end of a 78 km unelectrified line, limited to 120 km/h and served by diesel multiple units.
With 2 stops, they take 52...53 minutes for the voyage. With 7 stops, still just 61...62 minutes!
HSR takes a long time to speed up and to slow down. Thus the highly increased travel times for the trains with 3 intermediate stops in just 78km.
Still, that a train limited to 120km/h and doing 7 intermediate stops can do the trip in just 6-11 minutes more? that's very strange. Is the HSR line doing a de-tour?
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Old November 3rd, 2016, 01:42 PM   #11130
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The map I posted above was not complete.



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Any news about the opening of the other 4 HSR lines (still) missing?


1) Beijing-Shenyang

2) Beijing-Hohhot

3) Shenzhen-Hong Kong

4) Shijiazhuang-Jinan


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1) Beijing-Shenyang
Shenyang-Beijing: 350 km/h year (provided in 2012)>2019 709 km PDL 02
2) Beijing-Hohhot
Zhangjiakou (Kalgan)–Hohhot 250 km/h year 2017 286 km PDL 14
3) Shenzhen-Hong Kong
Shenzhen-Futian 200 km/h 30/12/2015 25 km PDL 03
Futian-West Kowloon (HK) 200 km/h year 2019 15 km PDL 03
4) Shijiazhuang-Jinan
Jinan–Shijiazhuang 250 km/h year (provided in 2012)>2017 323 km PDL 09
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Old November 3rd, 2016, 01:51 PM   #11131
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It looks like that the Beijing- Zhangjiakou line will be 350 km/h.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/peop...ient-wall.html



There will be also a Zhengzhou-Wanzhou 350 km/h line...

with the Wanzhou-Chongqing (250 km/h) line opening this year (2016)..

Even in this case I don't understand why the line will slow down in Wanzhou..
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8 + 8 PDL updated

Today Update (last Stretche: 10/09/2016 Xuzhou–Zhengzhou).

NORTH>SOUTH:
01– Dalian-Beihai Coastal PDL: Dandong-Dalian-Yingkou-Shenyang-Panjin-Qinhuangdao-Tianjin West-Dongying-Weifang-Qingdao-Lianyungang-Yancheng-Nantong-Shanghai-Hangzhou-Ningbo-Fuzhou-Xiamen-Shenzhen-Zhanjiang-Beihai-Fangchenggang (near Vietnam). Branch: Yingkou-Panjin, Tianjin West-Beijing (Pekín) and Weifang/Qingdao-Yantai.
02– Harbin-Hong Kong PDL: Harbin-Changchun-Shenyang-Beijing (Pekín)-Shijiazhuang-Zhengzhou-Wuhan-Changsha-Guangzhou (Cantón)-Zhuhai (Macao). Branch: Guangzhou-Shenzhen.
03– Beijing-Hong Kong PDL: Beijing (Pekín)-Hengshui-Heze-Shangqiu-Fuyang-Huanggang-Jiujiang-Nanchang-Ganzhou-Shenzhen-Futian-West Kowloon (Hong Kong). Branch: Nanchang-Putian/Fuzhou, Hefei-Jiujiang and Fuyang-Hefei-Nanping-Fuzhou-Taipéi (in the Taiwan island).
04– Beijing-Shanghai PDL: Beijing (Pekín)-Tianjin South-Jinan-Xuzhou-Nanjing-Shanghai; ramal Nanjing-Hangzhou and ramal Bengbu-Hefei-Hangzhou. También habrá una segunda línea paralela: Weifang-Linyi-Huai'an-Yangzhou-Nantong.
05– Hohhot-Nanning PDL: Hohhot (Huhhot, al oeste de Beijing)-Datong-Taiyuan-Zhengzhou- Xiangyang-Changde-Yiyang-Shaoyang-Yongzhou-Guilin-Liuzhou-Nanning (near Vietnam).
06– Beijing-Kunming PDL: Beijing (Pekín)-Datong-Taiyuan-Xi'an-Chengdu-Yibin-Kunming. Ramales: Beijing-Shijiazhuang-Taiyuan and Chongqing-Yibin.
07– Baotou/Yinchuan-Haikou PDL: Baotou (to west from Beijing)-Yan'an-Xi'an-Chongqing-Guiyang-Nanning-Qinzhou-Beihai-Zhanjiang-Haikou-Hainan circle (in the Hainan island) and branch Yinchuan-Xi'an.
08– Xining-Guangzhou PDL: Xining-Rongwo-Chengdu-Guiyang-Guangzhou (Cantón) and branch Lanzhou-Rongwo.

EAST>WEST:
09– Qingdao-Yinchuan PDL: Qingdao-Jinan-Shijiazhuang-Taiyuan-Yinchuan.
10– Lianyungang-Urumqi PDL: Lianyungang-Xuzhou-Zhengzhou-Xi'an-Baoji-Lanzhou-Hami-Urumqi.
11– Shanghai-Kunming PDL: Shanghai-Hangzhou-Nanchang-Changsha-Xinhuang-Guiyang-Kunming.
12– Shanghai-Chengdu PDL: Shanghai-Nanjing-Hefei-Wuhan-Yichang-Chongqing-Chengdu. There is also a second line interlace: Nanjing-Anqing-Jiujiang-Wuhan-Xiangyang-Wanzhou-Suining-Chengdu.
13– Suifenhe-Manzhouli PDL: Suifenhe (Russian frontier to East)-Mudanjiang-Harbin-Qiqihar-Hailar-Manzhouli (Russian frontier near deep Mongolia).
14– Beijing-Lanzhou PDL: Beijing (Pekín)-Hohhot-Yinchuan-Lanzhou.
15– Xiamen-Chongqing PDL: Xiamen-Longyan-Ganzhou-Changsha-Yiyang-Changde-Chongqing.
16– Guangzhou-Kunming PDL: Guangzhou (Cantón)-Nanning-Kunming.



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Stretches in commercial service:
01– Dalian-Beijing, Yingkou-Panjin, Hangzhou-Shenzhen and Maoming-Zhanjiang: 3.287 km
02– Harbin-Shenyang and Beijing-Zhuhai: 2.830 km
03– Jiujiang-Nanchang, Hefei-Fuzhou, Nanchang-Fuzhou and Shenzhen-Futian: 1.498 km
04– Beijing-Shanghai, Bengbu-Hefei and Nanjing-Hangzhou: 1.698 km
05– Guilin-Nanning: 368 km
06– Taiyuan-Xi’an: 599 km
07– Nanning-Beihai and Hainan Circle: 858 km
08– Guiyang-Guangzhou: 857 km
09– Qingdao-Jinan and Shijiazhuang-Taiyuan: 552 km
10– Xuzhou-Baoji and Lanzhou-Urumqi: 2.744 km
11– Shanghai-Guiyang: 1.793 km
12– Shanghai-Chengdu; second line: Nanjing-Anqing, Huangshi-Wuhan-Xiaogan and Suining-Chengdu: 2.531 km
13– Harbin-Qiqihar: 281 km
14–
15– Xiamen-Longyan: 171 km
16– Guangzhou-Baise: 799 km
Total: 20.866 km (350 km/h: 9.696 km / 250 km/h: 11.170 km)




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HSR takes a long time to speed up and to slow down. Thus the highly increased travel times for the trains with 3 intermediate stops in just 78km.
Still, that a train limited to 120km/h and doing 7 intermediate stops can do the trip in just 6-11 minutes more? that's very strange. Is the HSR line doing a de-tour?
For a Swede... e. g. Stockholm-Uppsala is 68 km. And I count 11 stations between them, Karlsberg to Knivsta. How long do trains travel Stockholm-Uppsala?
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For a Swede... e. g. Stockholm-Uppsala is 68 km. And I count 11 stations between them, Karlsberg to Knivsta. How long do trains travel Stockholm-Uppsala?
The commuter trains that make 11 intermediary stops take 55 minutes.
Taking the express commuter (different operator) that makes just 2 intermediary stops takes 38 minutes.
Unless there's some kind of track or signalling issue which is way too often.
Neither is HSR.

That CRH line seems pretty slow.
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Today Update (last Stretche: 10/09/2016 Xuzhou–Zhengzhou).


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I didn't know the Beijing-Shenyang direct line was open! (according to the map?)
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The map is wrong, as that particular line is definitely no opened yet. Forecast for 2019 if I remember correctly.
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New High-speed Rail System Bridging Shanghai and Chengdu Proposed



Feasibility studies have been conducted to assess the possibility of linking 22 cities in China’s eastern, central and southwestern regions with a railway system that would reduce the current 15-hour travel time by six hours.
The proposed project is expected to cover 1,985 kilometers, traversing Shanghai, Nanjing, Hefei, Wuhan, Chongqing and finally Chengdu at 350 km/h,
according to a report by China Daily.

"Passengers from Shanghai will arrive in Chengdu within nine hours upon completion of the railway," said Peng Qiyuan, dean of the School of Traffic at Jiaotong University.
As it stands today, the majority of the current railway line is limited to a speed of 100-200 km/h, while the track between Chengdu and Chongqing is designed for speeds of up to 350 km/h.
Sichuan, where a total of of 90 million people reside in the upper reaches of the Yangtze River, is considered to be the most developed province in Southwest China and has the largest GDP within the country. Officials expect the new railway to spread such economic development throughout the other regions.
"People in Southwest China will have more contact with the more developed central and eastern parts of the country, and abundant resources from the southwest will be transported to central and eastern areas faster," said Peng.
The Yangtze River Delta generates as much as 20 percent of the country's GDP.
The State Council announced last month that new guidelines will be implemented in order to bolster the development of the Yangtze Economic Zone and expedite the construction of the high-speed rail system.

Read more: http://en.yibada.com/articles/63641/...#ixzz4PW0r4yww
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The proposed project is expected to cover 1,985 kilometers, traversing Shanghai, Nanjing, Hefei, Wuhan, Chongqing and finally Chengdu at 350 km/h,
according to a report by China Daily.

"Passengers from Shanghai will arrive in Chengdu within nine hours upon completion of the railway," said Peng Qiyuan, dean of the School of Traffic at Jiaotong University.
As it stands today, the majority of the current railway line is limited to a speed of 100-200 km/h, while the track between Chengdu and Chongqing is designed for speeds of up to 350 km/h.
But Nanjing-Hefei-Wuhan are already connected by a new 200 km/h HSR.
Could it be better to build a 350 km/h line on a different route, to serve places not already served?
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How are Chinese airlines coping with all this HSR expansion?
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