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Old November 11th, 2016, 05:08 PM   #11141
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Old November 11th, 2016, 10:57 PM   #11142
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A new rail route from Kashghar China to Gwader pakistan coming soon The highest train route would be
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Old November 12th, 2016, 03:12 AM   #11144
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That will be something, isn't it? Passing through that geography by a train.
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Old November 18th, 2016, 12:49 PM   #11146
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Qingdao-Rongcheng high-speed rail gets rolling
18 November 2016
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A high-speed railway connecting the three major cities of Qingdao, Yantai, and Weihai, across the Shandong Peninsula opened on Nov 16, forming a one-hour city-to-city loop.

With construction starting in 2011, and costing 37 billion yuan ($5.5 billion), the railway runs for 300 kilometers, traversed by trains at an average speed of 250 kilometers per hour, peaking out at 300 kph.

Starting at Qingdao North Railway Station, the line goes northeast through Jiaodong Peninsula and ends at Rongcheng Railway Station in Weihai, stopping at 14 stations.

Journey times between Qingdao and Yantai will be reduced from four and a half hours to just one, according to an official from Yantai railway bureau.

Travel times between Qingdao and Weihai will also be cut to less than two hours.

Nearly 20 million people will benefit from the new service, which covers an area of 30,000 square kilometers.

The railway will help to eliminate the transport bottlenecks in the northeastern area of Shandong Peninsula, improving regional cooperation and boosting economic development.

"The speed of transport is key to allowing labor markets to function effectively in ever-expanding cities," said one expert on urban studies.
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Old November 18th, 2016, 09:56 PM   #11147
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High Speed Trains used to deliver Singles' Day parcels (pictures from different sources)
这很中国:高铁送快递助力双十一(双语)
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高铁将加入今年双十一货运大战,大大减少送货时间。在中国真正神奇的不是电子商务,而是中国迅猛发展的物流。

  High Speed Railway (HSR) trains are joining the battle to deliver goods for the Singles' Day (Nov. 11) shopping spree, in Beijing from Friday.

  从上周五开始,北京高铁已经加入了双十一购物节之后的送货大战中。

  According to Beijing Railway Bureau (BRB), four daily trains will be running at 160 km per hour to carry goods from Beijing to Shanghai and Guangdong in the next 10 days, shortening each trip to 15 hours, including loading and unloading time.

  据北京铁路局表示,未来10天将每天派出4列车,以每小时160公里的速度将货物从北京运到上海和广东,将每趟列车包括上下货的时间缩短到15个小时。

  "Each train has 15 compartments, and can carry 340 tonnes of goods," said Zhang Jinchao, deputy director at the BRB logistics center. "A total of 1,837 tonnes of goods have been transported today, with one of the trains carrying goods sold on JD.com and delivered by SF express," Zhang said Friday.

  北京铁路局物流中心副主任张金超(音)表示说:“每列车有15个车厢,可以运送340吨货物。”张金超在上周五时透露说:“今天已经一共运输了1837吨货,其中有一列车装的是京东出售、顺丰承运的快递包裹。”

  According to BRB, the center expects to send around 13,500 tonnes of goods and receive 14,000 tonnes during the Nov. 11-20 period, both 80 percent increases compared with a year earlier.

  据北京铁路局表示,从11月11日到20日期间,物流中心预计将发出13500吨货物,接收货物达到14000吨,都同比去年增长80%。

  According to China Express Association, over one billion packages are estimated to be transported for the Singles' Day shopping spree, double last year's figure.

  据中国快递协会表示,今年双十一购物节期间需要运送的包裹估计将会超过10亿件,是去年两倍。

  Nearly 14 billion packages were delivered in China in 2014, exceeding the United States for the first time.

  2014年中国运送的包裹数量达到了近140亿件,第一次超过美国。

  "People say that e-commerce in China is a miracle, but in my opinion, the fast development of express services in China is the real miracle," said Jack Ma, president of the nation's e-commerce giant Alibaba.

  电商巨头阿里巴巴总裁马云说道:“人们都说电子商务在中国是一个奇迹,但是在我看来,中国快递服务的高速发展才是真正的奇迹。”

  Online shoppers in China reached 447 million by June this year, according to a China Internet Network Information Center report.

  据中国互联网络信息中心的报告,今年6月中国网购人数达到了4.47亿人。

  "We are selling more goods and delivering them faster. Delivering goods was a headache during Singles' Day five years ago, but now shoppers can receive what they bought in two or three days," said Zhang Yong, Alibaba's CEO.

  阿里巴巴CEO张勇表示说:“我们卖出去的商品越来越多,送快递的速度也越来越快。五年前在双十一期间送快递是一件令人头疼的事情,但是现在买家们可以在2、3天内就收到他们买的东西。”













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Old November 19th, 2016, 02:25 AM   #11148
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Honestly this seems incredibly stupid. The use of passenger trains to transport parcels means (A) an incredibly inefficient use of volume, (B) slow load/unload times because unlike passengers, packages can't walk themselves on/off and the lack of pallets means each bag has to be grabbed by hand and walked off, (C) the lack of cargo handling infrastructure in the stations means they literally grab a bag and put it on the platform, and they have to be carted off to a truck manually, (D) loading and unloading takes up precious platform time.

Furthermore, the math seems really off. The longest trains in the system are 16 carriage consists, which is about 1200 seats total. If each train can carry 340 tons, that's 261 kilograms per seat, which seems outrageously high given what we see in the images (are seats even rated to carry that much mass?). Finally, these trains are only going at 160km, which is not even that much faster than conventional freight trains that don't have any of the costs and logistics inefficiencies associated with transporting parcels on high speed passenger trainsets.
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Old November 19th, 2016, 03:16 AM   #11149
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Honestly this seems incredibly stupid. The use of passenger trains to transport parcels means (A) an incredibly inefficient use of volume, (B) slow load/unload times because unlike passengers, packages can't walk themselves on/off and the lack of pallets means each bag has to be grabbed by hand and walked off, (C) the lack of cargo handling infrastructure in the stations means they literally grab a bag and put it on the platform, and they have to be carted off to a truck manually, (D) loading and unloading takes up precious platform time.



Furthermore, the math seems really off. The longest trains in the system are 16 carriage consists, which is about 1200 seats total. If each train can carry 340 tons, that's 261 kilograms per seat, which seems outrageously high given what we see in the images (are seats even rated to carry that much mass?). Finally, these trains are only going at 160km, which is not even that much faster than conventional freight trains that don't have any of the costs and logistics inefficiencies associated with transporting parcels on high speed passenger trainsets.


Dude, chill.It's only a few days during a time when parcel capacity in the country is incredibly strained and those are night off hour trains that don't carry passengers anyway. (inspect track condition, transport rail staff, position trains into their starting schedule location etc)

As for weight, if you look at the pictures, most of the parcels are on the floor, in the isles very few of them are actually on seat. I suspect this request came rather late so it was not plan very well. Or else they would have just taken the seats off and stack them on top of the parcels.
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Old November 19th, 2016, 11:31 AM   #11150
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Qingdao-Rongcheng high-speed rail gets rolling
18 November 2016
China Daily Excerpt

A high-speed railway connecting the three major cities of Qingdao, Yantai, and Weihai, across the Shandong Peninsula opened on Nov 16, forming a one-hour city-to-city loop.

With construction starting in 2011, and costing 37 billion yuan ($5.5 billion), the railway runs for 300 kilometers, traversed by trains at an average speed of 250 kilometers per hour, peaking out at 300 kph.

Starting at Qingdao North Railway Station, the line goes northeast through Jiaodong Peninsula and ends at Rongcheng Railway Station in Weihai, stopping at 14 stations.

Journey times between Qingdao and Yantai will be reduced from four and a half hours to just one, according to an official from Yantai railway bureau.

Travel times between Qingdao and Weihai will also be cut to less than two hours.
The railway is running, but no service to Qingdao or even Qingdao North. Just Jinan and beyond.
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Old November 19th, 2016, 12:04 PM   #11151
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The railway is running, but no service to Qingdao or even Qingdao North. Just Jinan and beyond.
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Jinan is in the opposite direction from Yantai.
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Old November 19th, 2016, 12:52 PM   #11152
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I believe that what has been inaugurated is the Qingdao-Jimo 33 km section (250 km/h) and that the rest: Jimo-Haiyang-Rongcheng 299 km was inaugurated at 250 km/h on 12/29/2014 and cost 16.44 M € x km.

On 12/29/2014 the Jinan to Rongcheng service it took 4 hours 21 minutes and now take 4 h 10 m. http://www.chinatrainguide.com/ http://www.chinahighlights.com/china...rch-result.asp
Qingdao to Haiyang 1 h 1 m 144 km
Qingdao to Yantai 1 h 14 m 201 km
Qingdao to Rongcheng 2 h 13 m 316 km

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Dude, chill.It's only a few days during a time when parcel capacity in the country is incredibly strained and those are night off hour trains that don't carry passengers anyway. (inspect track condition, transport rail staff, position trains into their starting schedule location etc)

As for weight, if you look at the pictures, most of the parcels are on the floor, in the isles very few of them are actually on seat. I suspect this request came rather late so it was not plan very well. Or else they would have just taken the seats off and stack them on top of the parcels.
The whole process is just inefficient. 14,000 tons total is like one freight train, maybe two. I get that there's a surge but surely the way to address it isn't to send a bunch of people to a passenger station to cart them off trucks, onto the platform, onto the train, off the train, back onto carts, back on trucks, all to save a few hours?

The aisle argument is something I thought about, but the math still doesn't pencil out. Assuming 1200 seats total, that's no more than 240 rows total, which translates to 1,400kg per row, including the aisle. There's no way the few bags that fit in each row weigh as much as a medium-sized family car.
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Old November 19th, 2016, 09:33 PM   #11154
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I believe that what has been inaugurated is the Qingdao-Jimo 33 km section (250 km/h) and that the rest: Jimo-Haiyang-Rongcheng 299 km was inaugurated at 250 km/h on 12/29/2014 and cost 16.44 M € x km.

On 12/29/2014 the Jinan to Rongcheng service it took 4 hours 21 minutes and now take 4 h 10 m. http://www.chinatrainguide.com/ http://www.chinahighlights.com/china...rch-result.asp
Thanks! Looks like the problem was with a schedule site: https://www.travelchinaguide.com does not see any Qingdao-Yantai links, while
http://www.chinatrainguide.com/ does.
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Old November 19th, 2016, 11:14 PM   #11155
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The whole process is just inefficient. 14,000 tons total is like one freight train, maybe two. I get that there's a surge but surely the way to address it isn't to send a bunch of people to a passenger station to cart them off trucks, onto the platform, onto the train, off the train, back onto carts, back on trucks, all to save a few hours?
I mean if it relieves demand it is efficient. What is better:
A) having a backlog of parcels sitting in a warehouse and a bunch of empty high speed trains sitting in a yard while railways have open slots with no trains running on them producing no revenue.
B) using all these idle resources you already paid for albeit not as effectively compared to a purpose built system which may or may not exist or is tied up at the moment.

I don't know what you define as efficient but B looks really efficient to me. Anyways China Railways has experimented shipping some parcels via high speed rail for quite some time now. It would be nice for them to use the idle high speed rail capacity in the off peak to run a service similar to TGV's La Post. Based on what I have seen in China the conventional lines are very congested. Anything you can move to the PDLs without degrading service is better.
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Old November 20th, 2016, 12:52 AM   #11156
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Does anybody know if there are any concrete standarts for high-speed rolling stock in China (like TSI in directive 96/48/EC in Europe or Technical regulatory standarts for Shinkansen in Japan)? As my understanding is, there are Gb and TB standarts, but I could find only standarts (wheels, passenger doors, brakes and etc.) for the maximum speed 200 km/h...
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I mean if it relieves demand it is efficient. What is better:
A) having a backlog of parcels sitting in a warehouse and a bunch of empty high speed trains sitting in a yard while railways have open slots with no trains running on them producing no revenue.
B) using all these idle resources you already paid for albeit not as effectively compared to a purpose built system which may or may not exist or is tied up at the moment.

I don't know what you define as efficient but B looks really efficient to me. Anyways China Railways has experimented shipping some parcels via high speed rail for quite some time now. It would be nice for them to use the idle high speed rail capacity in the off peak to run a service similar to TGV's La Post. Based on what I have seen in China the conventional lines are very congested. Anything you can move to the PDLs without degrading service is better.
The correct way to deal with a surge, especially one that is known well in advance, is to rearrange the maintenance and tracks schedule such that a maximum number of freight trains can run during the surge period. The incorrect way of dealing with a surge is to deploy dozens of people across three cities in the middle of the night to manually shuffle a few parcels between seats, the platform, and the truck.

Each of those bags can't be more than 25kg and there can't be more than 11 per row (two per seat, one in the aisle). That's only 66 tons of freight per train, which is literally two tractor trailers. Are you telling me that it's more efficient to deploy dozens of people all night in three cities to load/unload trains instead of sending eight trucks a night, point to point? Trucks are still needed to move the parcels between the distribution center and the train station, and vice versa. Just think about moving those parcels from the platform to the mezzanine level using the passenger elevators. How long will that take?

Using PDLs to move freight is something worth looking into, but you can't half a** it like this. You either go all in by building freight trainsets, a la the TGV La Poste, or you don't do it at all.
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Old November 20th, 2016, 04:46 AM   #11158
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The correct way to deal with a surge, especially one that is known well in advance, is to rearrange the maintenance and tracks schedule such that a maximum number of freight trains can run during the surge period. The incorrect way of dealing with a surge is to deploy dozens of people across three cities in the middle of the night to manually shuffle a few parcels between seats, the platform, and the truck.
That is assuming you have the rolling stock available to run the freight train. Also I doubt it was known well in advance. Everyone knows singles day is China's black Friday but no one knows how quickly product sales on e-commerce will increase. Package delivery volume this year doubled over last year.

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Each of those bags can't be more than 25kg and there can't be more than 11 per row (two per seat, one in the aisle). That's only 66 tons of freight per train, which is literally two tractor trailers. Are you telling me that it's more efficient to deploy dozens of people all night in three cities to load/unload trains instead of sending eight trucks a night, point to point? Trucks are still needed to move the parcels between the distribution center and the train station, and vice versa. Just think about moving those parcels from the platform to the mezzanine level using the passenger elevators. How long will that take?
Using HSR is faster than trucks even if the trucks use a point to point model. Beijing to Guangzhou (assumed) the truck would still arrive 7 hours later (takes 22 hours) keeping in mind the train has already stopped and unloaded in Shanghai and I did not include breaks for the truck drivers and loading and unloading time. So in reality the disparity is even larger. You would have to employ dozens of people to drive the trucks (at least 2 per truck) and pay highway tolls all the way. Not to mention you would get stuck in China's traffic if you arrive at the destination city during day time.

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Using PDLs to move freight is something worth looking into, but you can't half a** it like this. You either go all in by building freight trainsets, a la the TGV La Poste, or you don't do it at all.
No you don't, you could, like what CRH just did and spend 0 dollars in sunk costs using the infrastructure and rolling stock you have now. You could even call this R&D and they are testing the concept of using HSR as freight. I really don't see why you are making such a fuss over this minor temporary program.
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