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Old March 27th, 2017, 04:00 PM   #11401
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So, is this an admission that the 200-250km/hr line was a mistake? or an admission that linking some freight spur lines onto it was a mistake?
No, it was always a long term plan to build the second line. There was no coastal line at all, unlike most other regions of China where a conventional railway is in place. For security reasons, the railways only went from the coast to inland regions, which made for many inefficient logistic flows.

So the first line was purposely intended to serve double duty, so freight could utilise the coastal route and spur economic development across the region. The new line will be then be built as a Passenger Dedicated Line, while the old line can remain for local passenger and freight traffic.
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Old March 28th, 2017, 12:59 PM   #11402
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So the first line was purposely intended to serve double duty, so freight could utilise the coastal route and spur economic development across the region. The new line will be then be built as a Passenger Dedicated Line, while the old line can remain for local passenger and freight traffic.
Ah, that makes sense. That and the rapid increase in demand, forcing the "8+8" plan, of which at least some of the 8 verticals are intended to "open up the coast"
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Old March 28th, 2017, 03:22 PM   #11403
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Old March 29th, 2017, 08:46 AM   #11405
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CCTV10 3 part doco on CHR

No pics here either sorry, I've disable embedding to avoid arguments with YT who always seem to find some snippet of somebody else's music...

I've put some English subtitles on those in the subject line,
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...AICW0o6-X3zGA6
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Old April 4th, 2017, 11:26 AM   #11406
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As for high speed railways under construction, there is an undocumented project that I have not seen published or reported on anywhere. It is an extension of the Emei Shan branchline that runs south into the mountains. I know it exists simply because I have been to the construction site just south of Ebian, Sichuan where they were blasting a tunnel under a friend's village during August 2016. It is a CRH line but I have no idea about the extent of the project. My friend's family could not tell me anything except for what was happening locally.
Google Earth is slowly revealing in new updates: significant HSR work north and south of Yanbian on the Yalong R. just north of Panzhihua. Also to the east of Miyi town. But I can't see anything yet round Xichang, and I'd expect that to be a major target. I see what looks like stations at Yuexi and Lugu.

There is a big chunk of line works visible south of Panzhihua, northwest of Yuanmou, so maybe it's going to connect at Guangtong.

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Old April 5th, 2017, 07:56 AM   #11407
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Chengdu-Kunming HSR?
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Old April 5th, 2017, 12:31 PM   #11408
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Chengdu-Kunming HSR?
Well, yes, but the supposed route of that line has been all over the place, so it's nice to see some spades in the ground.
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Old April 5th, 2017, 06:56 PM   #11409
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Old April 6th, 2017, 12:06 PM   #11410
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Can this be?
Yes, that segment of 06 between Yibin-Kunming I have seen on other maps. I've also seen plans that make it share the same route as 08 from Chengdu-Leshan-Yibin. But now it seems the mines at Panzhihua are forcing the decision just like 60 years ago. Back then the slow train was intended to go directly on that 06 line via Yibin. Until the iron/chrome/titanium were discovered at Panzhihua. And now we have a cosmodrome at Xichang pulling the line westwards. Important enough to have a daily train K117/118 Beijing-Panzhihua. So that map you show is out of date. We can see the HSR line going via Panzhihua.

For extra points tell us the route and timetable to replace the current Kunming-Urumqi slow train.
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Old April 6th, 2017, 02:54 PM   #11411
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For extra points tell us the route and timetable to replace the current Kunming-Urumqi slow train.
What is the due date to open Lanzhou-Baoji?
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Old April 6th, 2017, 06:25 PM   #11412
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What is the due date to open Lanzhou-Baoji?
That's a good question. What is this portion taking so long? Interesting how the Lanzhou-Urumqi seemed to be built much faster than this much shorter line.
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Old April 6th, 2017, 07:31 PM   #11413
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What I have pointed out: Baoji–Lanzhou: 250 km/h year 2017 401 km PDL 10


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So that map you show is out of date.
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The map is from July 20, 2016, when the Chinese government presented its new plans (8 + 8 PDL) for 2030 modified from Wikipedia.
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Old April 6th, 2017, 09:07 PM   #11414
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What I have pointed out: Baoji–Lanzhou: 250 km/h year 2017 401 km PDL 10
It is 2017.
Which month?
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Old April 7th, 2017, 03:01 AM   #11415
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That's a good question. What is this portion taking so long? Interesting how the Lanzhou-Urumqi seemed to be built much faster than this much shorter line.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20..._136187910.htm says rail laying is complete, but, the photos they show could rail laying anywhere. Also in one of those doco clips I linked above the engineers were moaning about the loess country as needing major subground stabilization where the line ran on earth embankments, and too many short tunnels and bridges.

Also news to me http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20..._136174237.htm is reporting that Xi'an-Chengdu is 250km/hr Intercity. I thought that was s'posed to be one of the big 4x4 lines, not just an infill on the 8x8.
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Old April 7th, 2017, 11:04 AM   #11416
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It is 2017.
Which month?
Long ago announced its completion in 2017 without further precision.
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Old April 7th, 2017, 11:48 AM   #11417
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tell us the route
I found this article "Chengdu-Kunming Double Line Railway Expected to Open in 2020"

Which says

The whole section is divided into Chengdu-Emei section, Emei-Miyi section, Miyi-Panzhihua section, Yongren-Guangtong section, and Guangtong-Kunming section (completed).

http://www.sc.gov.cn/10462/10758/107...10379147.shtml



Chengdu-Kunming Double Line Railway Expected to Open in 2020
  If you like traveling, going by train from Chengdu to Kunming might be a good choice for you. From Sichuan Basin to Hengduan Mountains, passing through Yunnan-Guizhou Plateau, the scenery is showing slowly like a beautiful picture scroll as the train roaring on.

  Now, it takes about 18 hours by train from Chengdu to Kunming. While 4 years later, this journey will be shorted to 7 hours.

  On April 28th, reporters learned from relevant railway departments that Chengdu-Kunming railway expansion project (Chengdu-Kunming Double Line Railway) construction has been achieved new progress. On April 26th, the longest section with the most difficulties in construction, namely Emei-Miyi Section expansion project, has been officially initiated to construct.

  Chengdu-Kunming Double Line Railway, which is expected to be completed and opened in 2020, will greatly shorted the distance between Sichuan and Yunnan. By 2020, it will only take 3 hours by train from Chengdu to Panzhihua, reduced by 10 hours. While it will only take about 7 hours from Chengdu to Kunming by train. Traveling experience will be more comfortable.

Most difficult: Bridges and channels accounting for 70% by passing through faults and valleys
  
  Chengdu-Kunming railway expansion project aims to construct new railways and expand current railways on the basis of current Chengdu-Kunming Railway. It links Chengdu and Kunming together with the total length of about 900 km. There is 632 km in Sichuan.

  The whole section is divided into Chengdu-Emei section, Emei-Miyi section, Miyi-Panzhihua section, Yongren-Guangtong section, and Guangtong-Kunming section (completed). After opening, it will enhance the passenger capacity of Chengdu-Kunming Railway as an important corridor and channel linking Sichuan and Southwest China, linking Chengdu Plain Economic Zone, Panxi Economic Zone, Daliangshan Yi Minority Zone and Xiaoliang Yi Minority Zone.

  Emei-Miyi section, 386 km in total, is the most difficult and the longest section in constructing Chengdu-Kunming Double Line Railway. “We have to pass through several geographical faults. The section pass through mountainside, valleys with terrible geographical and meteorological conditions. Therefore, we are faced with severe construction difficulties.” Relevant responsible officials from No. 2 Engineering Company of China Railway No.8 Engineering Group Co., Ltd introduced, “There will be about 140 bridges and 40 channels to be constructed in Emei-Miyi section with the percentage of channel and bridges of 73%. That is to say, over 70% of Emei-Miyi section is either bridge or channel.”

  Fastest speed: 3 hours from Chengdu to Panzhihua by train

  Mr. Li Gang, aged 27 and born in Panzhihua, is now working in Chengdu. His mother is living in Xichang. When he is free, he often communicate from Chengdu, Panzhihua, and Xichang. On holidays or weekends, He finds that it is always difficult to book a train ticket between Chengdu, Xichang, and Panzhihua. The journey lasts for over 10 hours. “It is too exhausting.”

  By 2020, it is expected to changed this situation. By 2020, when Chengdu-Kunming Double Line Railway is opened, traveler communicating from Chengdu, Panzhihua and Xichang like Li Gang will find it more convenient. It will take 2.5 hours from Chengdu to Xichang, passing through Meishan, Jiajiang, Emei, and Yuexi. 1 hour later, it will arrive in Panzhihua. 3.5 hours later, the train will go into Yunnan and arrive in Kunming, the spring city. 18-hour journey from Chengdu to Kunming will be shorted to 7 hours.

  Most beautiful scenery: the attractive scenery on the whole journey

  ”Starting from Chengdu, I take the train to the south. The traveling scenery is like a beautiful picture scroll displaying in my eyes.” Such sentences often appear in the dairies of travelers.

  Actually, Chengdu-Kunming Railway, as a major channel in Southwest China, enjoys significant strategic meaning and economic meaning. But for ordinary travelers, when the train passes through various scenes, it is really an expected visual feast.

  When Chengdu-Kunming Double Line Railway is completed, it will be more convenient for Chengdu citizens who are fond of traveling to play in the south direction. Whenever they want to enjoy the sunshine in Panzhihua and Xichang, they could start in the morning and arrive at noon. If they want to play in Kunming, taste the stone forests, feed birds by the side of Dianchi, it will only take 3.5 hours.

  In fact, there are more beautiful scenes. From Chengdu to Emei, the train goes on Chengdu Plain and travelers could enjoy the booming rape flowers in spring and feel relaxed. When the train arrives in Emei, if it is sunny, travelers could overlook the top of Mount Emei. Later, the train will pass through the barrier of Sichuan Basin, travelers could see Dadu River and feel the shaking streams. When the train goes on and arrives in Panxi zone where it is still sunny and warm even in winter, travelers could enjoy a comfortable sunshine bath. When the train passes through Yunnan-Kunming Plateau and arrives in Yunnan, travelers could start to enjoy the spring city.

  Driving economic development: combining passenger and cargo together and driving economic development along the train

  Chengdu-Kunming Double Line Railway will enjoy great significance in driving special resource development, industrial development, assisting the precise poverty alleviation in Daliang Mountain and Xiaoliang Mountain region, and promoting national unity.


  It is introduced that after the completion of Chengdu-Kunming Double Line Railway, it will focus on passenger transportation and cover freight as much as possible. While the current Chengdu-Kunming Railway will mainly focus on freight and short trip. Chengdu-Kunming Double Line Railway will link Chengdu, Emei, Xichuang, Panzhihua, and Kunming more closely and bring the minerals and ethnic fruits and specialties in Panxi region into the whole county and even the world. The new and previous railways will jointly drive the economic development and promote the regional coordinated economic development in Panxi region.
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Old April 8th, 2017, 05:54 AM   #11418
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http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20..._136187910.htm says rail laying is complete, but, the photos they show could rail laying anywhere. Also in one of those doco clips I linked above the engineers were moaning about the loess country as needing major subground stabilization where the line ran on earth embankments, and too many short tunnels and bridges.

Also news to me http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20..._136174237.htm is reporting that Xi'an-Chengdu is 250km/hr Intercity. I thought that was s'posed to be one of the big 4x4 lines, not just an infill on the 8x8.
no, no, Xi'an-Chengdu was never part of the original 4+4 plans.
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Old April 15th, 2017, 09:59 AM   #11419
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It looks like The Shanghai-Wuhan line has been upgraded to 350 km/h (?)... I'm not sure..

Anyway the wikipedia map is not updated https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...lines_in_China

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Old April 15th, 2017, 11:34 AM   #11420
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It looks like The Shanghai-Wuhan line has been upgraded to 350 km/h (?)... I'm not sure..

Anyway the wikipedia map is not updated https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...lines_in_China
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