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Old April 20th, 2017, 09:32 PM   #11421
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Old April 23rd, 2017, 02:29 AM   #11422
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How gigantic high-speed railway girders are laid



Time lapse: it takes 2 hours to lay a girder on high-speed rail tracks. Check out how the giant girders are made and transported in China.
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Old April 23rd, 2017, 05:04 PM   #11423
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Old April 23rd, 2017, 05:55 PM   #11424
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Old April 26th, 2017, 06:37 AM   #11425
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Some updates from Guangzhou:

It has been decided to re-construct and renovate Guangzhou station as a modern integrated high-speed rail and intercity rail hub. It will be the main Guangzhou terminus for the new Guangzhou-Shanwei HSR (which connects through to Xiamen/Fuzhou etc.) and the Guangzhou branch of the new Shenzhen-Beijing HSR. In addition, some of the services from other lines will be re-located from Guangzhou South to allow direct access to the city centre core. The slow speed trains will be moved from Guangzhou station to Tangxi instead to make way for HSR.

Foshan West station will open on 30 June this year. It is a major HSR hub with 19 platforms (11 national HSR and 8 PRD intercity) and should become the primary terminal for the Guangzhou-Nanning and Guangzhou-Guiyang lines in the PRD region.
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Old April 26th, 2017, 09:08 PM   #11426
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Some updates from Guangzhou:

It has been decided to re-construct and renovate Guangzhou station as a modern integrated high-speed rail and intercity rail hub. It will be the main Guangzhou terminus for the new Guangzhou-Shanwei HSR (which connects through to Xiamen/Fuzhou etc.) and the Guangzhou branch of the new Shenzhen-Beijing HSR. In addition, some of the services from other lines will be re-located from Guangzhou South to allow direct access to the city centre core. The slow speed trains will be moved from Guangzhou station to Tangxi instead to make way for HSR.

Foshan West station will open on 30 June this year. It is a major HSR hub with 19 platforms (11 national HSR and 8 PRD intercity) and should become the primary terminal for the Guangzhou-Nanning and Guangzhou-Guiyang lines in the PRD region.
Could you provide a map of Guangzhou, with slow and fast rail lines and stations, including Guangzhou, Guangzhou South, Tangxi and Foshan West?
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Old April 27th, 2017, 04:40 AM   #11427
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Sorry about the huge size! It's hard to see it properly otherwise.

The map itself is an official one, but the English labels were added by me.
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Old April 27th, 2017, 06:11 PM   #11428
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Thanks a lot!
Something Iīve spotted and mentioned before, but without the placenames to refer to:

The high speed railway between Guangzhou North and Guangzhou South is 47 km long and has no stations. Both Guangzhou North and Guangzhou South are inconveniently far from central Guangzhou - Guangzhou North is 27 km from Guangzhou by slow speed railway.
The high speed railway passes rather closer to central Guangzhou, but as stated has no stations.
Should it be useful to build an additional station on Guangzhou North-Guangzhou South high speed railway, nearer to central Guangzhou than either?
Specifically, Guangzhou North-Guangzhou South high speed railway intersects Guangzhou-Foshan slow speed railway between Guangzhou West and Sanyanqiao Station, nearer to Sanyanqiao.
What is there?
Would it be useful to build a station on high speed railway and slow speed railway to allow connecting from high speed railway to trains on slow speed line to Guangzhou?
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Old April 28th, 2017, 04:22 AM   #11429
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Would it be useful to build a station on high speed railway and slow speed railway to allow connecting from high speed railway to trains on slow speed line to Guangzhou?
In theory, your idea sounds very sensible and it’s hard to understand why a station was not built there initially, given it is considerably closer to Guangzhou city centre than either of the two stations provided. A new station here could also provide a convenient interchange, particularly when taking into account the future developments that are planned.

When the capacity constraints at Guangzhou station are alleviated with the reconstruction project, that slow line will be upgraded and used by PRD intercity trains on the Guangfozhao and Guangfojiangzhu lines, providing a frequent service into Guangzhou station in around 5 mins. Much better than the 30+ min on the Metro from Guangzhou South!

Furthermore, Line 5 of the Guangzhou Metro terminates at Jiaokou, about 1.5 km away from this location pointing towards it. Future Line 19 is planned to terminate at Suiyan Road, also about 1.5 km away and also pointing towards here. Both could be extended by one stop so that Metro access is provided to both Haizhu (via Line 19) and Yuexiu (via Line 5).

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What is there?
The location is officially in Foshan rather than Guangzhou, though only a few hundred metres from the boundary. The slow-speed line is at ground level and the HSR passes over it on a viaduct. The HSR is running parallel to a major highway, though there is about 200m between them. Apart from that, the immediate area is just fields in the relatively narrow "empty" region between Guangzhou and Foshan cities. The site photo is below, taken from the highway:

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Old April 28th, 2017, 05:12 AM   #11430
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Ya I have been thinking about creating a "Guangzhou West" in that area with interchanges with GZ Metro Line 5 and the Zhaoqing-Guangzhou ICR. Guangzhou South is the most poorly located main high speed railway station I have seen in China. It was strictly placed there to build a new CBD in the south. Most likely that reason Guangzhou South site was chosen instead of a closer one is because it has more vacant land to be sold for development and its actually in Guangzhou; meaning the local city goverment gets to pocket some of the revenue from land sales instead of Foshan's Government.

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Old April 28th, 2017, 07:38 AM   #11431
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The location is officially in Foshan rather than Guangzhou, though only a few hundred metres from the boundary. The slow-speed line is at ground level and the HSR passes over it on a viaduct. The HSR is running parallel to a major highway, though there is about 200m between them. Apart from that, the immediate area is just fields in the relatively narrow "empty" region between Guangzhou and Foshan cities. The site photo is below, taken from the highway:
Is that view looking towards Guangzhou or Foshan?
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Ya I have been thinking about creating a "Guangzhou West" in that area with interchanges with GZ Metro Line 5 and the Zhaoqing-Guangzhou ICR.
Guangzhou West station exists. It is between Sanyanqiao and Guangzhou Stations, within borders of Guangzhou.

When Guangzhou Station shall be under construction, shall slow speed trains on Maoming-Foshan-Guangzhou slow speed railway proceed to Tangxi Station as well, or serve Guangzhou West station?
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Old April 28th, 2017, 02:20 PM   #11432
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Is that view looking towards Guangzhou or Foshan?
Towards Guangzhou.

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When Guangzhou Station shall be under construction, shall slow speed trains on Maoming-Foshan-Guangzhou slow speed railway proceed to Tangxi Station as well, or serve Guangzhou West station?
The reports I heard said all slow-speed trains will move from Guangzhou station to Tangxi. This will be a permanent arrangement since Guangzhou station will become a hub for HSR, intercity and commuter instead. Tangxi is presently a freight loading/unloading station so it will require some adjustments first. There is a lot of space though.

Guangzhou West is not really suitable for terminating trains because of a lack of space/platforms. It is presently used for trains operating through from the Beijing-Guangzhou line to the Guangzhou-Maoming line, since these trains pass through no other passenger station in Guangzhou.
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Old April 28th, 2017, 03:54 PM   #11433
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Guangzhou West station exists. It is between Sanyanqiao and Guangzhou Stations, within borders of Guangzhou.
It can be renamed just like Zhonghuamen station in Nanjing Or Xizhimen in Beijing.
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Old April 28th, 2017, 04:06 PM   #11434
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Welding of HSR tracks
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Old April 28th, 2017, 04:47 PM   #11435
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Guangzhou South is the most poorly located main high speed railway station I have seen in China.
Agreed. Guangzhou South is an extraordinary distance from the city centre, and in the opposite direction to the way most people are travelling. If there was an express train connecting to the city, it would be a lot better, but there is only the slow Metro which takes over 30 mins to Liwan/Yuexiu, and is definitely not the most comfortable way to travel. If you are going to the main CBD at Zhujiang New Town, it is even longer. It really reduces the effectiveness of HSR when so much time is added getting to the station.

At the other extreme, the location of the new Futian station in Shenzhen is incredible! You can get from the office to the train in minutes. The Hong Kong station location will be great too. It's too bad that Guangzhou couldn't have a station like those.

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It was strictly placed there to build a new CBD in the south.
There is some development around the station area, but the city centre is developing much faster. Regardless of what happens around Guangzhou South, the population and level of economic activity in the traditional city centre is only getting bigger, and so is the travel demand.

The railway officials are finally starting to listen and understand this, which is why we are seeing this push to try and bring HSR closer to the city over the next few years.

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Most likely that reason Guangzhou South site was chosen instead of a closer one is because it has more vacant land to be sold for development and its actually in Guangzhou; meaning the local city goverment gets to pocket some of the revenue from land sales instead of Foshan's Government.
I think you've hit the nail on the head. The way the local government is set up in China creates this rivalry for economic benefits and makes any sort of joint project or co-operation between cities so difficult. The relationship between Guangzhou and Foshan is actually pretty good relatively speaking.
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Old April 28th, 2017, 05:58 PM   #11436
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The reports I heard said all slow-speed trains will move from Guangzhou station to Tangxi. This will be a permanent arrangement since Guangzhou station will become a hub for HSR, intercity and commuter instead. Tangxi is presently a freight loading/unloading station so it will require some adjustments first. There is a lot of space though.
But thatīs a problem.
Which station should serve BOTH slow-speed trains and as a hub for HSR, intercity and commuter trains?

Because Guangzhou would need a hub where passengers could connect from long distance trains (whether slow speed or HSR) to intercity and commuter trains. All the migrant workers coming off their trains on a Sunday evening need to be able to walk across the terminals (with their luggage!) to a platform whence their commuter trains go to whatever suburb of Pearl River Delta they actually work and sleep in.
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Old April 28th, 2017, 06:12 PM   #11437
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Are there no plans to connect Guangzhou South station with main areas of Guangzhou by additional metro or express rail lines? It's not the end of the world if your destination is on line 2 but if you need to get somewhere else (including the CBD) it becomes a bit of a hassle. A direct line to Zhujiang New Town would be desirable.
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Old April 29th, 2017, 02:06 AM   #11438
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But thatīs a problem.
Which station should serve BOTH slow-speed trains and as a hub for HSR, intercity and commuter trains?

Because Guangzhou would need a hub where passengers could connect from long distance trains (whether slow speed or HSR) to intercity and commuter trains. All the migrant workers coming off their trains on a Sunday evening need to be able to walk across the terminals (with their luggage!) to a platform whence their commuter trains go to whatever suburb of Pearl River Delta they actually work and sleep in.
Most likely the Guangqing ICR will have a stop at Tangxi. With some creative through servicing it can have services through running to the Guangshen, Guangfozhao, and Suiguanzhen ICRs
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Old May 1st, 2017, 06:47 PM   #11439
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Inner Mongolia's first high-speed railway: Hohhot-Zhangjiakou line undergoes testing CGTN Inner Mong

The Hohhot-Zhangjiakou high-speed passenger rail line, the first of its kind in China's Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region, began the task of testing and debugging on Monday.

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Old May 3rd, 2017, 05:45 AM   #11440
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All the migrant workers coming off their trains on a Sunday evening need to be able to walk across the terminals (with their luggage!) to a platform whence their commuter trains go to whatever suburb of Pearl River Delta they actually work and sleep in.
All the stories I've been reading say the big city interchanges will be HSR,Intercity and Metro, and the migrant workers will all ride the HSR, making their own connections somewhere out in the countryside to/from slow trains, minibuses etc.
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