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Old May 20th, 2017, 11:51 AM   #11461
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"Corruption" and/or speed did not killed those people. It was human decisions/errors that killed them. They were incompetent in managing the high-speed rail system.
I have not blamed corruption, neither speed nor anyone, so I do not understand that answer.

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The initial slow down (after the Wenzhou incident) applies to all the trains not just the fastest ones.
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I hope that if you have understood that on July 1, 2011 (when speed is reduced) is prior to July 23, 2011 (when the accident occurs), right?
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Old May 20th, 2017, 06:31 PM   #11462
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I have not blamed corruption, neither speed nor anyone, so I do not understand that answer.



I hope that if you have understood that on July 1, 2011 (when speed is reduced) is prior to July 23, 2011 (when the accident occurs), right?

The Wenzhou train collision had an immediate and major effect on China's high-speed rail program. The Chinese government formed a commission to investigate the accident[34] with a directive to report its findings in September 2011. On 10 August 2011 the Chinese government announced that it was suspending approvals of any new high-speed rail lines pending the outcome of the investigation.[35][36] The Minister of Railways announced further cuts in the speed of Chinese high-speed trains, with the speed of the second-tier 'D' trains reduced from 250 to 200 km/h (155 to 124 mph).[37] The speed of the remaining 350 km/h (220 mph) trains between Shanghai and Hangzhou was reduced to 300 km/h (186 mph) as of 28 August 2011.[38] To stimulate ridership, which had suffered due to concerns about safety, on 16 August 2011 ticket prices on Chinese high-speed trains were reduced by 5 percent.[39] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wenzho...nment_response


Sheng Guangzu, the minister of railways, said that railways with a maximum speed of 350 km an hour will run at 300 km an hour and those with a maximum speed of 250 km an hour will run at 200 km an hour. He said railways whose speeds have been lifted to 200 km an hour will be slowed to 160 km an hour. - http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/20...t_13097239.htm ( Updated: 2011-08-12 08:04 )
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Old May 20th, 2017, 06:36 PM   #11463
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Because sleeper cabins are available at much lower price than the few HSR sleepers, and on many routes where HSR sleeper would not make sense for time reasons anyway.


Having been on both, I can not agree that sleepers are more comfortable than the HSR sests, especially when factoring duration of journey.
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Old May 21st, 2017, 11:00 AM   #11464
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The initial slow down (after the Wenzhou incident)
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April 15, 2011 World's longest high-speed train to decelerate a bit People´s Daily
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The fastest routes will be cut from 350kph to 300kph as of July 1, Railway Minister Sheng Guangzu told the People's Daily.

July 23, 2011 20:34 Wenzhou train collision Wikipedia.


In Spanish we say: "that there is no one more blind than the one who does not want to see", Something like: "the blind leading the blind".
Once I have verified that it is not an error of understanding, I abandon the discussion. It would serve absolutely nothing. Bye!

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Old May 21st, 2017, 06:40 PM   #11465
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April 15, 2011 World's longest high-speed train to decelerate a bit People´s Daily



July 23, 2011 20:34 Wenzhou train collision Wikipedia.


In Spanish we say: "that there is no one more blind than the one who does not want to see", Something like: "the blind leading the blind".
Once I have verified that it is not an error of understanding, I abandon the discussion. It would serve absolutely nothing. Bye!
I respect that - bye bye. The following is not a reply to you.


"World's longest high-speed train to decelerate a bit" - People´s Daily (April 15, 2011)


China is putting the brakes on its bullet trains following complaints that the system is dangerously fast and too expensive. ... "This will offer more safety," Sheng said. - http://en.people.cn/90001/90776/90882/7351162.html (April 15, 2011)
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Old May 22nd, 2017, 11:29 AM   #11466
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China starts construction on new high-speed rail line
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Construction of the Beijing-Bazhou high-speed rail line, a key link for the capital's new airport and Xiongan New Area, started on Sunday, the China Railway Group announced.

The passenger line will connect Beijing and Bazhou, a neighboring city 80 kilometers to the south. Bazhou is also adjacent to Xiongan New Area, the country's emerging development zone.

With a design speed of 350 kilometers an hour, the railway will be completed in 2019, according to project manager Huo Jianli.

Passengers will be able to transfer between the capital's new airport and the high-speed railway station via an underground stop on the new rail line.

Upon its completion, a modern transportation network will serve the country's capital and inject new dynamism into North China.

The new rail line is also a key part of the Beijing-Kowloon route connecting Beijing and Hong Kong Special Administrative Region. By 2019, Hong Kong and Xiongan will be linked by the new railway.
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Old May 22nd, 2017, 06:24 PM   #11467
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Interesting, so it looks like Beijing will have two "high speed" lines connecting the city to the Daxing airport.
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Old May 24th, 2017, 07:05 AM   #11468
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Old May 24th, 2017, 07:07 AM   #11469
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Beijing and Shanghai
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Old May 24th, 2017, 07:09 AM   #11470
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LOL,I should post these gif pictures in Metro thread,not high speed rail.
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Old May 24th, 2017, 10:15 AM   #11471
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But sitting up in a high speed train is less comfortable than lying down in a slow speed one.
Yes, agreed. Second class on the SE coastal route trains has less legroom than China Southern's B737, and you're stuck on the train for six times longer than in a plane...
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Old May 24th, 2017, 06:14 PM   #11472
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Yes, agreed. Second class on the SE coastal route trains has less legroom than China Southern's B737, and you're stuck on the train for six times longer than in a plane...
Only on the same route.
Tourist class on an intercontinental B777 has the same legroom as a shorthaul B737, and people agree to sit there for 14...15 hours. Why not train?
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Old May 24th, 2017, 07:08 PM   #11473
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2nd class

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Old June 1st, 2017, 06:21 PM   #11474
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Shangqiu-Hefei-Hangzhou High-Speed Rail construction

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Old June 1st, 2017, 07:03 PM   #11475
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Yet another line I never knew was planned. Hard to keep up with all the HSR going on in China. I feel like this HSR project will do (is doing) for China what the Interstate system did for the United States.
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Old June 1st, 2017, 11:18 PM   #11476
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Metro boom in China
Wow! Think of all the concrete and steel needed.
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Old June 2nd, 2017, 12:29 AM   #11477
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Yet another line I never knew was planned. Hard to keep up with all the HSR going on in China. I feel like this HSR project will do (is doing) for China what the Interstate system did for the United States.
Lol same here. I kinda lost track of some major lines U/C and planned. Especially given that plans were changing (mostly accelerated it seems). The map in Wikipedia hasn't been updated for a while too.
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Old June 3rd, 2017, 11:18 PM   #11478
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Shangqiu-Hefei-Hangzhou High-Speed Rail construction
There already is Hefei-Nanjing-Hangzhou high speed railway. Where does the new HSR go?
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Old June 4th, 2017, 04:55 AM   #11479
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It goes via Wuhu instead of Nanjing


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Old June 4th, 2017, 11:07 PM   #11480
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So there shall be three HSR lines going southeast of Hefei - one to Nanjing (and on to Hangzhou and Shanghai), one to Wuhu (and on to Hangzhou) and one to Tongling (and on to Fuzhou)?
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