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Old August 7th, 2010, 10:00 AM   #1381
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The Transatlantic Tunnel as well as Swissmetro are pie in the sky.

China is big enough and its economy is growing strong enough to really build this thing...
We will see, the Chinese seem to like to announce new transport technologies nowadays. First that bus now this.

The Swissmetro is more of a university project than a real one.
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Old August 7th, 2010, 01:42 PM   #1382
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and they need to develop a lot of new technology by themselves. (that is hard for china sometimes ) Special pressurized trains, safety and evacuation system in case of decompression and a lot lot more
Will see
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Old August 8th, 2010, 01:26 AM   #1383
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Well they've got the money
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Old August 8th, 2010, 08:15 PM   #1384
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To think i came up with this idea when i was about 7.

Yeah ok someone probably thought it up in the 70's too but i did it in the early 90's.
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Old August 8th, 2010, 08:16 PM   #1385
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and they need to develop a lot of new technology by themselves. (that is hard for china sometimes ) Special pressurized trains, safety and evacuation system in case of decompression and a lot lot more
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A low pressure tunnel isnt exactly too much to develop. Maglev exists. Trains with pressurised interiors also exist.

The technology is pretty much there, its just a case of combining it.
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Old August 8th, 2010, 08:28 PM   #1386
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I wouldn't say they copied the idea. In fact, I'd love to see a train like this in the US but that would take a decade after suggestion to get funding started, then another few decades to actually get it done .
That's because the US government realizes it has to pay its bills, and there are far more important things than building a 111 kph train (like social security and Medicare). All this stuff is nice but China should know it's never going to pay for itself.
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Old August 8th, 2010, 08:32 PM   #1387
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No, its because US has no money and neither do most of the Western countries. Infact the West is fast running out of steam, while the East, on the other hand seems to be gaining momentum and if we dont up our game we are fcuked.
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Old August 8th, 2010, 08:36 PM   #1388
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We don't need a 1000km/h train in Western Europe. It wouldn't add a lot while it would cost a huge amount of money.
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Old August 8th, 2010, 08:42 PM   #1389
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No, we dont and I did not say that we did. However the West is looking a little bit tired these days, indeed just look at the state of our economies.
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Old August 8th, 2010, 10:11 PM   #1390
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Old August 9th, 2010, 12:23 AM   #1391
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Just the same was said in the mid 90ies right before the crisis in Asia. You can't predict something like that on the long run, especially not in a more and more closely linked (and hence more complex) world.
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Old August 9th, 2010, 01:27 AM   #1392
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I love how people are trying to lay claim to an idea. By that logic then the space shuttle idea was thought up by a Chinese man who was one of the founders of the US Jet Propulsion Lab and then was deported from the United States because they didn't want no Chinese in an important role like that and be forgotten in history. And before that where would you be with rockets? How about all the others things today that has its basic origins in China?
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Old August 9th, 2010, 01:50 AM   #1393
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I love how people are trying to lay claim to an idea. By that logic then the space shuttle idea was thought up by a Chinese man who was one of the founders of the US Jet Propulsion Lab and then was deported from the United States because they didn't want no Chinese in an important role like that and be forgotten in history. And before that where would you be with rockets? How about all the others things today that has its basic origins in China?

Auhh are you telling us that one of Caltech professor Theodore von Kármán's grad students in the 30's was Chinese?
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/fact_sheets/jpl.pdf
Because that is when Jet Propulsion Laboratory started and how does it correlate to the space shuttle that was designed in the 70's?

FYI; Rocket science first started by a scientist named Robert Goddard at the start of the 20th century.
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Old August 9th, 2010, 02:21 AM   #1394
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Auhh are you telling us that one of Caltech professor Theodore von Kármán's grad students in the 30's was Chinese?
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/fact_sheets/jpl.pdf
Because that is when Jet Propulsion Laboratory started
You are coming off as awfully ignorant. Indeed, one of von Kármán's star students was Qian Xuesen. According to the Wiki-Artikel on Qian-Xuesen:

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In 1943, Qian and two others in the Caltech rocketry group drafted the first document to use the name Jet Propulsion Laboratory;
After returning to China, Qian single-handedly built up China's rocket/satellite launch program. It's probably the worst strategic mistake for America to purge him.

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Old August 9th, 2010, 02:42 AM   #1395
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You are coming off as awfully ignorant. Indeed, one of von Kármán's star students was Qian Xuesen. According to the Wiki-Artikel on Qian-Xuesen:
Ignorant about Qian Xuesen maybe don't know if he was a star student but my point still stands as how does he have any correlation with the space shuttle program that started in the 70's.
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Old August 9th, 2010, 02:45 AM   #1396
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Auhh are you telling us that one of Caltech professor Theodore von Kármán's grad students in the 30's was Chinese?
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/fact_sheets/jpl.pdf
Because that is when Jet Propulsion Laboratory started and how does it correlate to the space shuttle that was designed in the 70's?

FYI; Rocket science first started by a scientist named Robert Goddard at the start of the 20th century.
Yes, it's well documented and known. And that man because he was deported back to China became the father of China's space program. Still don't believe it? Why? Because they would never allow a Chinese in such a important role? Hence why they trumped up charges and deported him and why you never heard of him. And yes he thought up of a reusable return vehicle into space way back in the 30s and 40s. And the Chinese invented rockets long before the 20th century.
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Yes, it's well documented and known. And that man because he was deported back to China became the father of China's space program. Still don't believe it? Why? Because they would never allow a Chinese in such a important role? Hence why they trumped up charges and deported him and why you never heard of him. And yes he thought up of a reusable return vehicle into space way back in the 30s and 40s. And the Chinese invented rockets long before the 20th century.
Oh boy talk about victim psychology, from reading the entry about him in Wiki, he was accused of being Communist not because of racist.
As for reusable return vehicles the idea is not anything new, they were staples of Sci-Fi of those days starting with Buck Rogers.
And if you read my post more closely I stated in bold rocket science.
If you want large fire cracker rockets propelled by gun powder Japan has a festival shooting dozens every year for the past 300 years.
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Old August 9th, 2010, 03:16 AM   #1398
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Oh boy talk about victim psychology, from reading the entry about him in Wiki, he was accused of being Communist not because of racist.
As for reusable return vehicles the idea is not anything new, they were staples of Sci-Fi of those days starting with Buck Rogers.
And if you read my post more closely I stated in bold rocket science.
If you want large fire cracker rockets propelled by gun powder Japan has a festival shooting dozens every year for the past 300 years.
Look at the guy who never heard of this until now. What does it say about what you know? You don't seem to read correctly. I was using the logic of those in here who claim China stole the idea for this train. So blame your own for that stupid logic. No one has ever built it and we don't know if the Chinese will make it work. Yet you insecure for future types want to lay claim to an idea. Ergo, it was a Chinese who invented rockets and it was a Chinese who thought up the idea for the space shuttle. So by your logic, Chinese can take credit. Love how you guys backtrack when your own logic works against you. Typical.

The irony is you insecure for the future types better hope it works the first time around because then there's some thin flimsy excuse you can hang on to to take credit. But if it doesn't work... you take credit, you also get to know your idea failed.

And you how he was labeled a communist? Back when he was in Cal Tech as a student, he took a class where one of his classmates he didn't know at all married a woman later in life who the government labeled a communist. That's his communist connection he was deported for.

Plenty of ancient artwork around the world including China depicting travelling in space before Buck Rogers or Jules Vern. And where do you think Japan got those rockets from? Certainly not Japan. What other contradicting logic from the guy who didn't know a few posts ago until he Googled it are you going to rely on now?

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Old August 9th, 2010, 06:38 AM   #1399
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Guys, chill. It still remains a lab project. The idea is not certainly new, but no one has been able to carry it out.

However, I kinda doubt this will be commercially available in 10 years. I'd be happy if they could develop the technology though.

plus, even if they have the new technology, there will still be another debate over which technology to use, just like the one between Maglev and HSR a couple of years ago. Ironically, it was the Minister of Railway that listed all sorts of disadvantages of Maglev and won the debate. A maglev in a tube is certainly less terrifying to residents living nearby, but it is still not practical at this moment.
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Old August 9th, 2010, 04:28 PM   #1400
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If you want large fire cracker rockets propelled by gun powder Japan has a festival shooting dozens every year for the past 300 years.
which would probably not have been possible without the chinese invention of gunpowder.

Don't be carried away like Bandit is. Japan is not exactly a space-power, nor has it been particularly known for original ideas historically speaking.
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