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Old August 20th, 2010, 04:43 AM   #1421
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Of course, it's called saturation, and China will hopefully reach it one day too. Reaching saturation is IMO a good thing, because it means you have reached a high level, while stagnation on the other hand is standing still on a low level.
I know, but China's day may be long off. I mean Europe was able to grow at decent growth rates for decades after initial industrialization so I think the same will be said w/ China.
I don't know why but I've always pictured the UK and France as having the highest growth rates in Western Europe. Partially due to their still increasing populations.
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Old August 20th, 2010, 07:52 PM   #1422
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High-speed trains leave airports in their wake
19 August 2010
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There are no guards, fighter jets or air traffic controllers at Shaoguan's military airport.

Children cycle around the cowpats and weeds on the runway and ducks paddle in a pond 50 metres from the abandoned flight control tower.

The duck keeper, a man in his 40s who lives in a farmhouse next to the pond, says he hasn't seen a plane for years. "The last time I saw a plane landing has got to be over eight years ago," he says. "For a long time there has been talk of expanding the airport for civil use, but there is no sign of that happening."

It's probably not the picture Guangdong policymakers had in mind two years ago when they announced a plan costing 300 million yuan (HK$342.22 million) to revive Shaoguan Guitou airport by this year in order to boost investment and tourism in the city, Guangdong's northern gateway. Under the plan, the airport would become a regional air traffic hub, specialising in short- and medium-haul flights. But the airport's prospects have not improved since the Wuhan to Guangzhou high-speed railway began operating at the end of last year.

Shaoguan is about 220 kilometres north of Guangzhou, and that means three to five hours by car, or two hours in traditional trains. But the high-speed trains have cut the travel time from Guangzhou to Shaoguan to just 45 minutes.

Shaoguan is hardly an isolated case. Just like the frenzy to build airports a few years ago, mainland cities are now scrambling to be part of the nation's ambitious high-speed railway network.

Shaoguan airport, about 30 kilometres north of the city centre near the town of Guitou, was built in the 1970s as a second-grade military airport, according to the Yangcheng Evening News. For a couple of years from 1986 it welcomed passenger and cargo planes from the provincial capital, Guangzhou. By the time the flights ended, in November 1989, 492 flights had carried 21,000 passengers between the two cities.

Plans to expand the airport, sited on 370 hectares of land and boasting a 2,200-metre runway, date to 1998, when officials announced plans for a 280 million yuan upgrade that would have featured another runway, a new, 5,000 square metre terminal and a large flight control tower - enabling the airport to handle planes such as Boeing 737s.

However, Shaoguan has good road connections to neighbouring cities and provinces and streets in the city centre are quiet, even on weekends. Public buses are hardly ever more than half full and it's hard to imagine how such a small city - with an urban population of 1.2 million - could ever provide enough passengers to sustain an airport.

For many, though, the idea of riding a high-speed train is as far-fetched as flying. A 24-year-old from Shaoguan, who works in Guangzhou delivering express mail said he needed to return home for big festivals but preferred cheaper, slower options.

"It's so close to home anyway, so I don't mind the extra hours on the bus," he said. "And the truth is, even if I lived in Henan province, I wouldn't go for the high-speed trains because I just can't afford them."

After Shaoguan, the high-speed train from Guangzhou stops in Changsha , Hunan province, before arriving in Wuhan, the Hubei provincial capital.

High-speed rail links take 90 per cent of the high-end market for trips under two hours and 50 to 70 per cent of journeys under four hours, according to a study by carnoc.com, a website run by the General Administration of Civil Aviation.

Taiyuan Wushu International Airport is one of many to have suffered.

The high-speed rail service linking Taiyuan, in Shanxi province, with Shijiazhuang in Hebei and Beijing started operating in April last year. In the year after it opened, 400,000 fewer people chose to fly between Taiyuan and Beijing or vice versa, a drop of more than 40 per cent, according to a Taiyuan airport spokeswoman. "Before the high-speed rail came onto the market, we used to offer 13 flights a day from the two destinations," she said. "But now, that's down to about six to eight fights a day."

Since December, when the Wuhan-Guangzhou high-speed line opened, the number of daily flights between Guangzhou and Changsha has shrunk from 12 to five. Even more dramatically, the launching of a high-speed rail service between Zhengzhou in Henan and Xian in Shaanxi in February spelled the end of all flights between the two cities just a month later.

The high-speed rail service cut the time a train takes to cover the 505 kilometre journey from more than six hours to less than two. Flying between the two cities takes just over an hour but Xian's airport is at least an hour's drive from the city centre, making rail a clear-cut winner.

Before the high-speed rail link started service, domestic carrier Joy Air was able to fill more than 60 per cent of its seats on the route, which was also serviced by Henan Airlines.

The mainland began an airport construction binge 20 years ago, and it continues. There are more than 140 airports scattered across the country and there are plans for almost a hundred more in the next 10 years.

In a bid to counter the expanding high-speed railway network, eight major airports in the pan-Pearl River Delta region announced nine new services last month, with more frequent schedules and express check-in counters to strengthen connections in Guangdong, Fujian , Jiangxi , Guangxi , Hainan , Sichuan , Guizhou and Yunnan.

Sun Yat-sen University professor Zheng Tianxiang , who specialises in transport studies, says it is not necessary to have so many small and medium-sized airports when high-speed railways can more efficiently link passengers to major international airports.

After witnessing the catastrophic impact that high-speed rail services have had on the aviation industry, no government officials, aviation insiders or academics were willing to comment on the progress of plans to upgrade Shaoguan's airport.

A Guangdong airport authority source said it was not the right time to comment because policymakers were still deciding what to do.
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Old August 22nd, 2010, 09:58 PM   #1423
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I WANT THIS VACTRAIN! EUROPE-CHINA IN 2 HOURS!
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Old August 23rd, 2010, 09:06 AM   #1424
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1000km/h = 0.8 speed of sound = speed of airplane.
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Old August 23rd, 2010, 11:24 AM   #1425
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I WANT THIS VACTRAIN! EUROPE-CHINA IN 2 HOURS!
It will still take about 10 h to reach Berlin. But yeah, it would still be better than airplane!
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Old August 23rd, 2010, 12:41 PM   #1426
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It ain't going to happen in the medium term. The professors cited in the initial reports about the project have explained to the media recently that they were misquoted, and that there is currently no ongoing project to build and test any versions of the vactrain.
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Old September 2nd, 2010, 05:08 PM   #1427
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great!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old October 3rd, 2010, 05:03 PM   #1428
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According to the latest report, Wuhan-Guangzhou Line transported over 100 thousand people in a single day on October 1. Since September 20, more services were added. There are 80 train services from each direction on Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays, or 75 daily services from Mondays to Thursdays.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/society/20...c_12626311.htm
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Old October 3rd, 2010, 06:49 PM   #1429
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Since September 20, more services were added. There are 80 train services from each direction on Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays, or 75 daily services from Mondays to Thursdays.
Are there any plans to add services on Wuhan-Guangzhou line that continue beyond the line in either end?
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Old October 3rd, 2010, 07:31 PM   #1430
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Are there any plans to add services on Wuhan-Guangzhou line that continue beyond the line in either end?
Once Guangzhou-Hong Kong and Beijing-Wuhan lines completed, one can travel from Beijing to Hong Kong. Actually even from Harbin to Hong Kong which will be an epic high speed travel
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Old October 3rd, 2010, 07:53 PM   #1431
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Once Guangzhou-Hong Kong and Beijing-Wuhan lines completed, one can travel from Beijing to Hong Kong.
Is Guangzhou-Shenzhen railway completed to open on Saturday the 30th instant?

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Old October 3rd, 2010, 08:23 PM   #1432
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Is Guangzhou-Shenzhen railway completed to open on Saturday the 30th instant?
Actually, the 10.8-km long Shiziyang Tunnel under Pearl River has not been finished. An estimated open date in December 2010 should be the earliest.
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Old October 4th, 2010, 05:37 PM   #1433
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There are 80 train services from each direction on Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays, or 75 daily services from Mondays to Thursdays.

I'm sure we'll see double deckers HST sooner than expected

160trains in one line is a lot.
how many in rush hour?

this is soon to come:
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Old October 5th, 2010, 12:41 AM   #1434
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During rush hour the frequency is about every 15mins.
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Old October 5th, 2010, 12:56 AM   #1435
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During rush hour the frequency is about every 15mins.
Incorrect. How can rush hour interval be 15 minutes if average interval is only 11 minutes?

Guangzhou South station departures (northward):
- 06:50 to Wuhan
- 06:55 to Changsha South
- 07:05 to Wuhan
- 07:17 to Wuhan
- 07:22 to Changsha South
- 07:32 to Wuhan
- 07:39 to Wuhan
- 07:55 to Wuhan
- 08:05 to Changsha South
- 08:15 to Wuhan
- 08:22 to Changsha South
- 08:36 to Wuhan
- 08:44 to Wuhan
- 09:00 to Wuhan
- 09:08 to Wuhan
- 09:13 to Changsha South
- 09:22 to Wuhan
- 09:36 to Wuhan
- 09:52 to Wuhan
- 10:00 to Wuhan
- 10:06 to Wuhan
- 10:20 to Wuhan
- 10:29 to Changsha South
- 10:45 to Wuhan
- 10:57 to Wuhan
- 11:07 to Changsha South
- 11:20 to Wuhan
- 11:33 to Wuhan
- 11:46 to Wuhan
- 12:00 to Changsha South
- 12:16 to Wuhan
- 12:28 to Wuhan
- 12:33 to Wuhan
- 12:51 to Wuhan
- 12:57 to Changsha South
- 13:05 to Wuhan
- 13:30 to Wuhan
- 13:36 to Wuhan
- 13:51 to Changsha South
- 14:00 to Wuhan
- 14:10 to Wuhan
- 14:20 to Changsha South
- 14:25 to Wuhan
- 14:36 to Wuhan
- 14:43 to Changsha South
- 15:00 to Wuhan
- 15:05 to Wuhan
- 15:15 to Wuhan
- 15:28 to Changsha South
- 15:38 to Wuhan
- 15:49 to Changsha South
- 16:00 to Wuhan
- 16:10 to Wuhan
- 16:21 to Changsha South
- 16:34 to Wuhan
- 16:45 to Wuhan
- 17:00 to Wuhan
- 17:05 to Changsha South
- 17:10 to Wuhan
- 17:22 to Changsha South
- 17:32 to Wuhan
- 17:44 to Changsha South
- 17:54 to Wuhan
- 18:00 to Wuhan
- 18:15 to Changsha South
- 18:25 to Wuhan
- 18:40 to Changsha South
- 18:50 to Changsha South
- 19:20 to Changsha South
- 19:28 to Changsha South
- 19:38 to Wuhan
- 20:00 to Wuhan
- 20:25 to Changsha South
- 20:50 to Changsha South
- 21:30 to Changsha South
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Old October 5th, 2010, 02:22 AM   #1436
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That time table almost look like for a subway line
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Old October 6th, 2010, 12:19 AM   #1437
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http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/dfpd/hu...nt_961953.html

According to report, the Wuhan–Guangzhou HSR line transported 118 thousand people on October 1, 2010, in a single day.
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According to report, the Wuhan–Guangzhou HSR line transported 118 thousand people on October 1, 2010, in a single day.
that number is almost like a subway line too. To put things in perspective, Boston Red Line carries ~175.000 per day.
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Old October 6th, 2010, 10:17 AM   #1439
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that number is almost like a subway line too. To put things in perspective, Boston Red Line carries ~175.000 per day.
The real comparison, of course, is Shinkansen.
http://www.shinkansen.co.jp/jikoku_h...sdh_tokyo.html

Wuhan-Guangzhou line has at most 7 trains in an hour (17:00 to 17:54). Tokaido Shinkansen has 12 trains at rush hours (9:00 to 9:56 and 18:00 to 18:56).

How do seat counts on CRH trains compare against Shinkansen?
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Old October 7th, 2010, 05:51 AM   #1440
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http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/dfpd/ga...nt_954064.html

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祁连山特长双线隧道地处甘青交界,是兰新铁路第二双线建设的重要组成部分。该隧道正洞长9.88千米,跨越海拨高度3858米,被称为兰新铁路第二双线“第一高隧”。祁连山特长双线隧道由中铁20局集团公司承建,数百名指战员工发扬“铁军”的英勇善战精神,日夜奋战,工人们说:“我们是‘晴天干两天、雨天干满天’。”

  截止9月30日,隧道正洞整体掘进188米,成洞128米。
Qilianshan tunnel, on the border of Gansu and Qinghai provinces, is an integral part of Lanxin's construction. The main tunnel is 9.88 kilometers long, up to 3858 meters above sea level, is the highest tunnel of the line. It is constructed by the Chinese Railway No. 20 Bureau Group Corporation (CR20G). Hundreds people are working day and night. Workers say, “We are working 48 hours in a sunny day, and 24 hours in rainy day.” As of September 30, 188 meters has been dug, and of 128 meters has formed tunnel.
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