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Old December 17th, 2010, 10:52 PM   #1561
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I hope trainsets like the CRH6 will eventually replace all DF11 pulled 25T cars.
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Old December 18th, 2010, 09:43 AM   #1562
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Why do train and airplane seats have those white covers on the head rests?

Also, it seems the aisle is very wide in the CRH6. I guess that's helpful as people can pass each other but I wonder if the space would better be used to widen the seats.
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Old December 18th, 2010, 09:45 AM   #1563
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I hope trainsets like the CRH6 will eventually replace all DF11 pulled 25T cars.
Impossible. DF11 is diesel locomotive. CRH6 is electric. It won't work on non-electrified railways.
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Old December 18th, 2010, 10:28 AM   #1564
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Why do train and airplane seats have those white covers on the head rests?
So that the cleaners can spot when they have got stained and dirty from contact with passengers´ heads, and change the covers to be cleaned separately?
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Old December 18th, 2010, 04:35 PM   #1565
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Isn't this train intended to serve as a regional rail? I mean the design is exactly what I would expect from a suburban rail. I assumed it is going to serve the same function as those trains on Beijing suburban rail or all those suburban trains that Japan has? For example, I feel like its really likely that they will run this train on the Jiading Regional Rail in suburban Shanhgai
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Old December 18th, 2010, 04:40 PM   #1566
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Yes, I think in same way, from the looks of them they almost look like commuter rails
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Old December 18th, 2010, 05:13 PM   #1567
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in the northern hemisphere, the train runs in the left rail. In the southern hemisphere, it runs in the right rail.
I heard that is the reason why train run left side in China.
From a China Rail Engineer
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Old December 18th, 2010, 09:01 PM   #1568
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Yes, I think in same way, from the looks of them they almost look like commuter rails
It sure does look like a commuter train, hard to imagine it runs at over 200kph, but maybe the picture only shows the 160kph version.
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Old December 19th, 2010, 01:30 AM   #1569
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the initial 24 set was ordered for guaugzhou - zhuhai ICL to replace CRHlA
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Old December 21st, 2010, 05:42 PM   #1570
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the Wuhan-Guangzhou PDL, transfered 20,046,000 passengers in 356 days of operation so far

http://news.chineserailways.com/HTML...220104715.html
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Old December 21st, 2010, 06:04 PM   #1571
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cant believe its been a year
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Old December 21st, 2010, 07:26 PM   #1572
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the Wuhan-Guangzhou PDL, transfered 20,046,000 passengers in 356 days of operation so far

http://news.chineserailways.com/HTML...220104715.html

What is the train frequency right now? Last time I read it was smt like 70 trains per day for each direction. Is this true?

Also, so much about the empty trains...
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Old December 21st, 2010, 08:10 PM   #1573
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Also, so much about the empty trains...
10M per direction, 27k per direction per day, 70 trains thats just under 400 ppl per train

whats their capacity?
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Old December 21st, 2010, 09:07 PM   #1574
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8-car sets have 500-600 seat capacity.
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Old December 21st, 2010, 09:17 PM   #1575
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10M per direction, 27k per direction per day, 70 trains thats just under 400 ppl per train

whats their capacity?
The schedule has been changed a couple of times, so the calculation needs to take that into account

For each direction, initially there were 28 trains daily, 5 trains were added to cope with the Spring Festival massive volume on Jan 30th. On July 1st, there were up to 63 trains each direction daily(59 trains on regular days and 63 on peak days such as holidays). Starting on Sep 20th, there are 70 trains for each direction on Monday through Thursday, 75 trains on weekends, and 80 trains during holiday seasons.
reference: http://www.chnrailway.com/news/20109...03066240.shtml

So at least half of the time there were at most 33 trains each direction everyday.

A rough calculation of average train ridership would be
20,046,000/(28*35+33*152+61*81+72*88) /2 =580

Edit: silly me, the article greenlion quoted explicitly mentioned that 33021 trains had traveled on Wuhan-Guangzhou HSR during the first 356 days. The average is then 20,046,000/33021=607.
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Old December 21st, 2010, 09:34 PM   #1576
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Nice calculation, so basically they are full all the time.
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Old December 21st, 2010, 09:54 PM   #1577
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Nice calculation, so basically they are full all the time.
Not really, before July 1st there were 16-car trainsets, they only changed to 8-car trains after that, and now there are also CRH 380AL.

But the ridership is definitely not like Financial Times claimed(BTW, didn't Wuhan-Guangzhou HSR open last year?)
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Critics point out that bullet train services, such as the 1,000km Wuhan to Guangzhou connection that opened this year, are operating at less than half their full capacity and will never make enough money to repay the huge bank loans used to build them.
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Old December 21st, 2010, 09:57 PM   #1578
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For reference, Tokaido Shinkansen has 154 trains daily departing from Tokyo in one direction, each of which has exactly 1323 seats.
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Old December 22nd, 2010, 02:26 AM   #1579
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the Wuhan-Guangzhou PDL, transfered 20,046,000 passengers in 356 days of operation so far

http://news.chineserailways.com/HTML...220104715.html
after two years the HSR Madrid-Barcelona transported less than 6 millions per year, yet it's considered a total success!

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Not really, before July 1st there were 16-car trainsets, they only changed to 8-car trains after that, and now there are also CRH 380AL.

But the ridership is definitely not like Financial Times claimed(BTW, didn't Wuhan-Guangzhou HSR open last year?)
FT is and has alwyas been a lier, it's a shameless US/UK propaganda panflet.
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Old December 22nd, 2010, 03:01 AM   #1580
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For reference, Tokaido Shinkansen has 154 trains daily departing from Tokyo in one direction, each of which has exactly 1323 seats.
For reference, it has been operational for 36 years. It reached its 100 millionth passenger in ~3 years (1964-1967). So, basically it seems, Wuhan-Guangzhou is as successful as Tokaido so far
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