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Old April 13th, 2011, 09:06 AM   #1941
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Actually I would lower my expectation so that I won't be disappointed to see the max operating speed cut down to 350 km/h or even lower on Beijing-Shanghai HSR when it opens.
HSR in China just hit rock bottom. The puppet minister recently said in an interview: Beijing-Shanghai HSR will have top speed up to 300 km/h.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/politics/2...21298686_4.htm
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Old April 13th, 2011, 09:20 AM   #1942
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HSR in China just hit rock bottom. The puppet minister recently said in an interview: Beijing-Shanghai HSR will have top speed up to 300 km/h.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/politics/2...21298686_4.htm
don't missinterpret... he said it would open with a top speed of 300 km/h.... the infrastructure is still designed for 380 km/h, so operating at that speed is still definitely planned for some undertermined point in the future....
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Old April 13th, 2011, 09:40 AM   #1943
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don't missinterpret... he said it would open with a top speed of 300 km/h.... the infrastructure is still designed for 380 km/h, so operating at that speed is still definitely planned for some undertermined point in the future....
my bad, I was referring to the top speed upon opening by quoting my previous guess. 380 km/h is just a dream, at least for the next couple of years. and who knows whether the top speed will be raised or not--when tons of 250km/h or lower trains are also running.

Speaking of the design and construction standard, that is the ridiculous part. MoR spent so much more money building 350km/h+ standard tracks, developing new trains capable of running safely at 380km/h, and then decided to operate at 300km/h. I surely didn't learn that logic in Econ 101.
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Old April 13th, 2011, 05:53 PM   #1944
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HSR in China just hit rock bottom. The puppet minister recently said in an interview: Beijing-Shanghai HSR will have top speed up to 300 km/h.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/politics/2...21298686_4.htm
This plan has been heard of before, as early as 5th of January, 2011:
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/sp/arti...cle_460727.htm
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During the early stages of the new service, speeds will be restricted to 300kph, making the journey about 4 hours and 37 minutes, railway authorities said.

Read more: http://www.shanghaidaily.com/sp/arti...#ixzz1JPnSucG1
Did the Puppet Minister just confirm what the plan has been all along?
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Old April 13th, 2011, 06:18 PM   #1945
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Infrastructure is there, that is the important part. Increasing speed is just a matter of giving more throttle if you have the infrastructure.
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Old April 13th, 2011, 06:51 PM   #1946
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how much is the ticket for Shanghai-Beijing highspeed rail going to be?

airline ticket is around 1200 RMB i think
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Old April 14th, 2011, 06:31 AM   #1947
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Old April 14th, 2011, 11:42 AM   #1948
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is it just me or the pics are not shown properly?
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Old April 14th, 2011, 11:50 AM   #1949
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Now it is almost officially confirmed. after July1st, top speed on all HSRs in China will be reduced to be less than 300km/h, including Wuhan-Guangzhou HSR and Shanghai-Hangzhou HSR. Yeah, no 300km/h+ trains any more 'cause those are politically evil.

http://www.jfdaily.com/a/2082343.htm
http://news.bjnews.com.cn/news/2011/0414/115255.shtml
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Old April 14th, 2011, 12:32 PM   #1950
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Yeah, no 300km/h+ trains any more 'cause those are politically evil.
Is it because it is evil, or because they have realized as other countries had already, that running over 300-320 km/h increases the wear and tear and energy consumption so much more, that it doesn't make economical sense?
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Old April 14th, 2011, 02:51 PM   #1951
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What shall the trip time Wuhan-Guangzhou then be?
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Old April 14th, 2011, 04:11 PM   #1952
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Is it because it is evil, or because they have realized as other countries had already, that running over 300-320 km/h increases the wear and tear and energy consumption so much more, that it doesn't make economical sense?
Seems to relate mainly to safety and build quality concerns. They will also be operating some slower trains on the 300km/h lines for operational cost savings and cheaper tickets too (I.e. Average wages vs cost of operation was out of whack).

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China responds to high-speed rail safety fears

By Jamil Anderlini in Sanya, China

Published: April 14 2011 13:23 | Last updated: April 14 2011 13:23



China is lowering the operating speeds on its new bullet train lines because of safety and affordability concerns over the biggest high-speed rail network in the world.

The top speed for trains running on the country’s main high-speed lines will be reduced from 350km/h to 300km/h, said Sheng Guangzu, China’s new railway minister.

“This will offer more safety,” Mr Sheng was quoted as saying in the official Communist party mouthpiece, People’s Daily. “At the same time, this will allow more variation in ticket prices based on market principles.”

Lowering the speed limit for China’s showcase high-speed rail network signals a serious rethink of the country’s hugely ambitious plans. The move follows the removal of Liu Zhijun, the former railway minister, in February.

The Communist party is investigating Mr Liu for “serious disciplinary violations”, a claim that usually results in criminal corruption charges. Chinese media have aired allegations against him ranging from taking bribes to improper sexual liaisons.

Mr Liu and Zhang Shuguang, the former deputy chief engineer at the railway ministry who was also removed from his post on the same charges, were the main cheerleaders for China’s efforts to build ever-faster trains based on technology acquired from German, French and Japanese companies.

In addition to the new speed limit, which is expected to lower energy usage and operating costs, the total railway construction budget for the next five years appears to have been scaled back.

Mr Sheng said the government would spend Rmb2,800bn ($428.8bn) on railway construction from now until 2015, significantly less than previous reported estimates.

Although China’s railway network will still be expanded from the current 91,000km to 120,000km by the end of 2015 as previously planned, analysts said it was likely some planned high-speed routes would be cut and replaced with ordinary lines.

“The plans to run the trains at such high speeds posed a big safety risk,” said Zhao Jian, a professor at Beijing Transportation University.

Mr Zhao said lowering the operating speeds would also help pay for the extremely expensive new network by reducing ticket prices and increasing passenger numbers.

Critics of China’s high-speed rail project say the trains produced by Chinese companies are heavily based on foreign designs that were only meant to travel up to 250km/h.

China’s railway ministry and state-owned rail companies have consistently claimed to have “digested” and “re-innovated” these foreign designs to create completely homegrown Chinese trains. But most analysts and industry participants say more than 90 per cent of the technology is directly copied or bought from foreign companies.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, international rail executives have told the Financial Times that modifying the original designs to make trains go 350km/h and faster posed a serious safety risk.

China’s centrepiece Beijing-Shanghai high-speed rail line, which is scheduled to open in the second half of this year, will have its top speed reduced from the planned 380km/h to the same national limit of 300km/h as the other main lines, Mr Sheng said in comments published in Chinese state media.

Meanwhile, regional non-trunk high-speed lines will operate trains at between 200 and 250km/h, while most railways in central and western China will operate at less than 200 km/h.

The main 300km/h lines will also operate bullet trains at slower speeds that cost less to ride, in an attempt to increase the number of passengers on those routes.

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Old April 14th, 2011, 07:04 PM   #1953
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WTF, they're going to lower inter-city lines to 200-250km/h? It's going to take 45 mins or more from Beijing to Tianjin, can't believe they would do this. Capitulation and extreme overreaction indeed
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Old April 14th, 2011, 08:21 PM   #1954
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What are those safety risks, that every article mentions anyway? Cracked axles, track deterioration, pure BS, something else?

Responding to safety concerns with budget cuts and money allocation to other projects is completely irrational.
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Old April 14th, 2011, 08:23 PM   #1955
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They apparantly cut costs during construction using below spec concrete and other materials, why the Minister and his depuy was suspended. Its apparantly going to shorten the infrastructures life noticably and running slower may slow the wear and tear whilst at the same time making tickets more affordable.
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Old April 14th, 2011, 10:02 PM   #1956
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if there is any safety issue, it is more likely the safety of the minister's position and profit of the airlines.
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Old April 14th, 2011, 10:32 PM   #1957
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RIP HSR in China, 2008-2011. It was a good 3 years, indeed. No more grandiose plans of a line to Europe. No plans of a line to Singapore. No more pushing the limits of speed and what transportation and engineering can accomplish. All over some petty intraparty feud.

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Old April 14th, 2011, 10:47 PM   #1958
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China's trains join superhighway with e-tickets
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By Yan Weijue (chinadaily.com.cn)

Buying a train ticket and travelling on China's railways is about to get a whole lot easier.

A raft of new customer-friendly schemes is to be introduced including printing passengers names on tickets to help combat the scourge of the scalpers.

The real-name ticket purchasing system, which requires passengers to provide ID when buying a ticket, will be introduced to all high-speed trains in China starting on June 1.

China will also introduce e-tickets that can be bought online or over the phone with bankcards as well as automatic fare collection, the railway minister Sheng Guangzu said in an interview with People's Daily Tuesday.

The new Beijing to Shanghai express railway will pioneer the new online booking system in June, which will then be rolled out across the whole national railway network by the end of the year.

During the 12th Five-Year Program (2011-2015), 30,000 kilometers of new railway lines will be added, which will extend the length of railway from the current 91,000 kilometers to approximately 120,000, said the minister, adding that 50,000 of that will be in the western region of the country.
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Old April 14th, 2011, 10:49 PM   #1959
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Well at least I got to ride it before this last month. The model I was on was CRH380 so I don't know how fast it went though.
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probably 350km/h if it was the Shanghai-Hangzhou line
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