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Old November 29th, 2010, 08:19 AM   #21
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What are you talking about? Light Rail tends to be cheaper than Heavy Rail since Heavy Rail has to be entirely grade separated. One of the reasons why the city could afford to build it was because it was using the streets instead of it's own ROW.

And anyways building a subway here is a bad idea given the combinations of clay soil, high ground water level, and the fact that a large percentage of the city sits on a floodplain.
The underground tunnels are reserved for the oil :-D
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Old November 29th, 2010, 12:15 PM   #22
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What are you talking about? Light Rail tends to be cheaper than Heavy Rail since Heavy Rail has to be entirely grade separated. One of the reasons why the city could afford to build it was because it was using the streets instead of it's own ROW.

And anyways building a subway here is a bad idea given the combinations of clay soil, high ground water level, and the fact that a large percentage of the city sits on a floodplain.
The Burnett station will kinda Underground though. And if I remember correctly, A large segment of the University Line will be elevated.
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Old November 29th, 2010, 10:10 PM   #23
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The Burnett station will kinda Underground though. And if I remember correctly, A large segment of the University Line will be elevated.
True, there will be elevated segments on the University line but that is mainly for crossing US 59 and the Southern Pacific Railroad line. Also the Burnett station will utilize an existing underpass.

http://www.metrosolutions.org/clients/1068/329863.pdf

Everything else though will be at-grade though due to cost concerns.
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Old November 29th, 2010, 11:15 PM   #24
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The question is, is it better to spend the money on longer routes with "lighter" technology or spend more money covering less area but with heavier capacity?

I was in Houston this weekend and the vehicles and the technology are definitely trams with their own traffic lanes. Compare that with the heavier vehicles and true seperate right of ways in Dallas, and really they are two different animals despite both being called light rail.

There is saving money and there is cutting corners. Hopefully metro knows the difference.

The water table issue, btw, is bunk. Look at other cities and you'll see what I mean.
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Old November 30th, 2010, 12:41 AM   #25
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There is saving money and there is cutting corners. Hopefully metro knows the difference.

The water table issue, btw, is bunk. Look at other cities and you'll see what I mean.
Never said it couldn't be done but tunneling would have cost significantly more when taking all that into account. When several well known Texas politicians back in the early 2000's blocked federal funding to Metro they were left with no choice but to use the cheapest alternatives as possible.

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Old November 30th, 2010, 05:18 PM   #27
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at grade has many advantages for passengers. it's easily accessible (no lifts, etc necessary), the ways are usually shorter, plus the subjective safety feeling is often higher as compared to underground stations.

Actually it was also proven that at grade tram and lightrail lines significantly reduce crime rates along its corridor.
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Old November 30th, 2010, 07:03 PM   #28
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Photos of the Red Line extension showing the start of construction.

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Old November 30th, 2010, 09:15 PM   #29
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So the video is obviously a year or two old? Im reading on the Wikipedia page that construction on the new lines was pushed back to 2014? What is the status of these projects at this point?
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Old December 1st, 2010, 04:01 AM   #30
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So the video is obviously a year or two old? Im reading on the Wikipedia page that construction on the new lines was pushed back to 2014? What is the status of these projects at this point?
Well Metro was involved in a scandal earlier because the first two of the new LRV's they bought from CAF violated the "Buy America" requirements so right now it is tangled in a web of red tape.

http://www.progressiverailroading.co...e.asp?id=24355

As for the University Line that line is being held up by NIMBY's and business owners along Richmond.
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I hate "Buy America", it's so ******* moronic and just ends up driving up the costs for new Transit lines by limiting what companies can be involved with projects.
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Old December 1st, 2010, 09:30 AM   #32
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I hate "Buy America", it's so ******* moronic and just ends up driving up the costs for new Transit lines by limiting what companies can be involved with projects.
Limiting how? Every Foreign company has 2-4 plants in the US....
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Old December 1st, 2010, 10:56 PM   #33
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I hate "Buy America", it's so ******* moronic and just ends up driving up the costs for new Transit lines by limiting what companies can be involved with projects.
I agree and here is the funny part. The rest of the trainsets were to be built in the U.S. at their Elmira, NY plant and they were about to hire new workers this fall, but now those plans are on hold so not only does METRO not only get their new LRV's but more people are without a job.
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Limiting how? Every Foreign company has 2-4 plants in the US....
But at the same time, Buy America tilts the field heavily (and somewhat unfairly) towards the incumbents in the American transit market, such as Siemens. Buy America also drives up the cost of LRV's by forcing them to assembled (at higher cost) in the United States rather than abroad where it could be done more cheaply.
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Old December 2nd, 2010, 12:33 PM   #35
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Some bloopers of morons driving their cars into the LRV's.


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Old December 2nd, 2010, 05:10 PM   #36
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Isn't Alstom trying to get back into the game when it comes to the new rolling stock for Houton's light rail?
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Isn't Alstom trying to get back into the game when it comes to the new rolling stock for Houton's light rail?
Houston is trying to buy cars from CAF. Siemens, (Who built Houston's first LRV's) also wants to build those new LRV's, and so it complained to the Fed's about the eligibility of CAF under "Buy America" leading to the current brouhaha. I don't know anything about Alstom's bid though.
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The light rail vehicles currently used in Houston are the Siemens S70 model.


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Old December 4th, 2010, 12:14 AM   #39
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I like so much Houston MetroRail, looks like a tram, but all the system is very modern including platforms of each stations especially in downtown
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Old December 8th, 2010, 05:28 AM   #40
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Visual tour of the new East End and North Lines.
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