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Old February 2nd, 2011, 09:17 AM   #61
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I wonder if the newer lines will have their own ROW, or could they end up being tramway-like as with the current line?
From the looks of what I've seen, I think the latter. But I'm not completely sure on this though.
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Old February 2nd, 2011, 10:31 PM   #62
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Yeah, I can Houston in the top 5 in terms in ridership, but number #1? 30/10 and ST2 have something to say about that.
It will be in one of the top ten light rail systems once the University line is built since that line is expected to have twice the ridership of the current Main Street line since it will serve the University of Houston and the Galleria area which is a major employment center.

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From the looks of what I've seen, I think the latter. But I'm not completely sure on this though.
You would be correct.
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Old February 3rd, 2011, 04:52 AM   #63
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It will be in one of the top ten light rail systems once the University line is built since that line is expected to have twice the ridership of the current Main Street line since it will serve the University of Houston and the Galleria area which is a major employment center.
Which is why I said top five, given the sheer ridership density the current system (and hopefully it's future sections) have.
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Old February 15th, 2011, 06:42 PM   #64
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The Obama administration is giving Metro $200 million for it's light rail expansion.

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Houston Metro's expansion is getting a $200 million boost in Obama's budget request to Congress. The money for the North Corridor and the Southeast Corridor projects is $50 million more than the $150 million set aside by Obama in his last two budget proposals.

The Metro project is part of a wider bid by the administration to upgrade transportation infrastructure nationwide so that 80 percent of Americans have "convenient access" to a high-speed passenger rail system within 25 years.
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Old February 15th, 2011, 09:51 PM   #65
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For now yes.

I also wanted to mention that this ridership figure could essentialy double once the new lines/extensions that are currently being built/planned are built which will connect several residential neighborhoods, University of Houston, and the Galleria area which is another major employment district. Once all of these lines are built I can say for sure that Houston's light rail network will become one of if not the most patronized light rail system in the US (as long as there isn't any further roadblocks/red tape in the way).
It's got a long way to go before that happens...according to the latest APTA Report, Houston gets about 31,100 average ridership per weekday.

Philadelphia 95,000
Portland 112,400
Los Angeles 142,100
San Francisco 186,200
Boston 237,300

I think Boston's ridership is a bit higher than this. I ride the B-Line every day and the trains often become so packed that people will just go in the rear doors and be unaccounted for. There are also people with Tickets for monthly passes which they just hold up for the conductor. This also probably goes unaccounted for. I wouldn't be surprised if Boston's Green Line was pushing 260k per day...maybe even higher.

On topic: The Houston rail is very pretty. Their rail cars look extremely futuristic and attractive.

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Old February 15th, 2011, 11:13 PM   #66
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It's got a long way to go before that happens...according to the latest APTA Report, Houston gets about 31,100 average ridership per weekday.

Philadelphia 95,000
Portland 112,400
Los Angeles 142,100
San Francisco 186,200
Boston 237,300

I think Boston's ridership is a bit higher than this. I ride the B-Line every day and the trains often become so packed that people will just go in the rear doors and be unaccounted for. There are also people with Tickets for monthly passes which they just hold up for the conductor. This also probably goes unaccounted for. I wouldn't be surprised if Boston's Green Line was pushing 260k per day...maybe even higher.

On topic: The Houston rail is very pretty. Their rail cars look extremely futuristic and attractive.
With a Few Restorations Philly could move up past LA....
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Old February 15th, 2011, 11:37 PM   #67
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The first leg of the light rail system was built in 2001. Do you seriously expect Houston to have 100mi of light rail lines today?

Building this infastructure takes time.
No more than 7,5 miles of light rails built in TEN years ? In a 3 000 000 inhabitants place ?

It's really pathetic !!!
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Old February 16th, 2011, 12:54 AM   #68
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No more than 7,5 miles of light rails built in TEN years ? In a 3 000 000 inhabitants place ?

It's really pathetic !!!
I case you don't know how to read I did mention earlier that they are currently expanding the system at the moment with the East End Line and the North End line being under construction as we speak which when opened will add another 8.2 miles to the system.

This is not even mentioning the other light rail lines that are being planned and evaluated.
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Old February 16th, 2011, 09:21 AM   #69
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Hi,

I'am living in a city of 1,3 million inhabitants,
but here, the Transit Authority builds and puts in commercial service 3 miles of light rail per year since 2001 (and it continue)

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Old February 17th, 2011, 07:08 AM   #70
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Hi,

I'am living in a city of 1,3 million inhabitants,
but here, the Transit Authority builds and puts in commercial service 3 miles of light rail per year since 2001 (and it continue)

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Problem is our environmental review system is ****ed up, and the pols of this region have repeatedly dropped the ball in ratcheting up the rate of construction.
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Old February 17th, 2011, 08:47 PM   #71
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Hi,

I'am living in a city of 1,3 million inhabitants,
but here, the Transit Authority builds and puts in commercial service 3 miles of light rail per year since 2001 (and it continue)

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No more than 7,5 miles of light rails built in TEN years ? In a 3 000 000 inhabitants place ?

It's really pathetic !!!
That's a modern-day American transit project for you!

Projects like this take forever here in the U.S. because of our often pointless environmental reviews, high labor costs (which have little to do with unionization...European construction and transit workers are unionized and aren't nearly as expensive), lawsuits (America is an extremely litigious country...people sue over everything here), and feelings usually ranging from indifference to hostility toward public transportation.

That, and as there aren't a whole lot of construction companies that deal with rail here anymore, there's not a lot of competition in the bids, which drives up prices (I've read that a typical American rail project costs 2x to 5x what an equivalent project would cost in Europe). It has also been suggested that there's just not a lot of expertise in engineering rail projects in the U.S. anymore (economics of scale at work). Fewer rail engineers means less competitive bids, and higher prices.

Because costs are so high, it's hard to get more than a certain amount of funding approved every year, and projects like this proceed at a pace that would seem sloooooooooow by Euro or Asian standards. That, and we have a major political party, that with a few exceptions, hates mass transit and does everything it can to kill it or weaken it.
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Old February 18th, 2011, 04:40 PM   #72
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I case you don't know how to read I did mention earlier that they are currently expanding the system at the moment with the East End Line and the North End line being under construction as we speak which when opened will add another 8.2 miles to the system.

This is not even mentioning the other light rail lines that are being planned and evaluated.
Haha. You've got to be kidding me. They are not "currently expanding the system." Those projects are stalled. Constructing is not happening.
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Old February 18th, 2011, 06:05 PM   #73
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Haha. You've got to be kidding me. They are not "currently expanding the system." Those projects are stalled. Constructing is not happening.
Really? From this article from January it sounds like they have started:
http://www.ridemetro.org/News/Releas.../01042011.aspx

And this PDF from METRO shows pics of construction on the North line:http://www.metrosolutions.org/clients/1068/377151.pdf

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Old February 18th, 2011, 06:44 PM   #74
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Haha. You've got to be kidding me. They are not "currently expanding the system." Those projects are stalled. Constructing is not happening.
Yes they are, I can see the construction that is taking place along the East End line and North line.
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can you post pics of what's going on on the ground?

last I had heard it had stalled out in the fall during the utility-relocation phase, but I'm not from Texas so I don't really know what's going on
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can you post pics of what's going on on the ground?

last I had heard it had stalled out in the fall during the utility-relocation phase, but I'm not from Texas so I don't really know what's going on
They are still doing the utility relocation/roadwork phase, you were correct that there was some controversy regarding the light rail vehicles (which almost caused Houston to have federal funding removed due to Buy America) but that got resolved. So far any mention of having funding removed from MetroSolutions has been just talk and most of those roadways were scheduled to be rebuilt anyways.

I will try to post some pictures this weekend schedule permitting.
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Any news on the University Line? This delay is really driving me nuts, without the university line the system will not work.

Did you notice the red car going around?

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Haha, should have said "please stop hitting our trains... dipshits..."
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