RUSSIA - FIFA World Cup 2018 - Page 4

Mo Rush · July 6th, 2007, 01:26 AM

"best" bid is different from "technical excellence".
a bid is about marketing yourself, and sochi did that
the technical evaluation phase is about ensuring that each shortlisted city is capable. from that point onwards its about the glitz and glamour and you would be naiive to believe that you could win without that these days

mr.x · July 6th, 2007, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by plasticboy

Why do you think that Salzburg with half the people of Sochi is more deserving? Russia is and always been the Olympic powerhouse and after a decade of financial and morale hardships they are finally given a chance to regain their position in sports. Considering Russia's financial wealth, its strong Olympic performance, and the fact that the bid is supported by Putin himself, Sochi is a one hell of sustainable project.

Salzburg, while I enjoied their final presentation, they proposed too much temporary and not enough permanent to attract greater attention, hense why they were the first city eliminated from the race.

do you even know what sustainable means?

While I did think all three bids presented technically superior bid plans, politics was unfortunately the decider in this race. The fact is, Salzburg had the best technical bid plan followed by Sochi and Pyeongchang. Massive stadiums and plans don't necessary make a bid technically superior.

Nuff said with that, i'm not commenting on this issue any further. Congrats to Sochi. Not the ideal candidate, but better than Beijing.

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This whole thing just proves how unimportant the Winter Olympics are. This was basically the first news I had EVER heard about the 2014 Winter Olympics, and I read the news every day. And it wasn't even headline news anywhere, it was one of many smaller sidelines.

Even in Canada where we're hosting the next Winter Olympics, this is the first time I've ever heard of this.

Well, you're just one person.....the Winter Olympics are obviously less important than the Summer Olympics, but they still remain as one of the largest and most prestigious sporting and cultural events in the world. 3 billion television viewers watch the Winter Games, the Summer Games at 4 billion. And financially, on a cost ratio basis, the Winter Games bring more sponsorship than the Summer Games.

According to Google News, there are more than 2,000 articles circulating on the internet about the 2014 Olympic bid process. And that's quite significant.

TEBC · July 6th, 2007, 04:37 AM

Support Misha Bear back for Sochi!!

http://www.petitiononline.com/misha14/petition.html

TEBC · July 6th, 2007, 04:40 AM

Support Misha Bear back for Sochi!!

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TEBC · July 6th, 2007, 04:42 AM

Support Misha Bear back for Sochi!!

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BobDaBuilder · July 6th, 2007, 11:55 AM

^

The Beluga Sturgeon might be more appropriate, it inhabits the Black and Caspian.

I've still got my Misha from 1980!

SkyLerm · July 6th, 2007, 04:43 PM

OMG cool stadium :O

eomer · July 6th, 2007, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mAROMAS X.35

Very cool venues..

Very interesting for figure skating, ice hokey and curling....but, what about the alpine ski tracks ?
Congratulation to Sochi but it's very hard to understand that an austrian candidate could have been rejected twice. Sochi never hosted even a world cup race....there is a big risk with this choice.

bumdingo · July 6th, 2007, 08:10 PM

Great, a winter Olympics in deepest Russia, it'll be bloody freezing and get snowed off

El Vampiro Ucraniano · July 6th, 2007, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bumdingo

Great, a winter Olympics in deepest Russia, it'll be bloody freezing and get snowed off

Sorry to disappoint you, however Sochi is actually in the warmest part of Russia, on the coast of Black Sea.

Bahnsteig4 · July 6th, 2007, 10:55 PM

While I agree with every word you say, I suppose FIS will require trial runs in 2012 or 2013.

TEBC · July 7th, 2007, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BobDaBuilder

^

The Beluga Sturgeon might be more appropriate, it inhabits the Black and Caspian.

I've still got my Misha from 1980!

why not both? Im sure if Russia release Misha again, the sells will be better than any other mascot ever!! People miss Misha a lot

BobDaBuilder · July 7th, 2007, 06:40 AM

We could call it Putin the Sturgeon in honour of our great premier who crushes all his opposition!

Stan · July 9th, 2007, 02:30 PM

Use the same Misha but in white, polar bear type Misha will be the best choice.

I saw it on the net somewhere....

Stan · July 9th, 2007, 02:43 PM

This is a link with all the venues and descriptions:
http://sochi2014.com/sochidwnld/bid_...08%20sprds.pdf

I will post some of them here:

The Bolshoi Ice Palace is a description of a 12,000-seat multi-purpose arena in Sochi, Russia that is currently in the planning stages. "Bolshoi" literally means "Large", hence the correct English name for the Bolshoi Ice Palace would be the "Large Ice Palace". It is due to be open in 2009. After it is completed, it will host some of the ice hockey events at the 2014 Winter Olympics along with Maly Ice Palace. Both venues will be 300 m for each other.

The Maly Ice Palace is a description of a 7,000-seat multi-purpose arena in Sochi, Russia that is currently in the planning stages. "Maly" literally means "Small", hence the correct English name for the arena would be "Small Ice Palace". It is due to be open in 2013. After it is completed, it will host some of the ice hockey events at the 2014 Winter Olympics along with Bolshoi Ice Palace. Both venues will be 300 m for each other.

It will cost $27.2 million to build the venue, including the temporary works for the Olympics. After the Olympics, it will remain a sports arena and concert venue.

Stan · July 9th, 2007, 02:50 PM

Speed Stating Arena (8000 capacity)

Figure skating

Curling

more projects and descriptions at
http://sochi2014.com/sochidwnld/bid_...08%20sprds.pdf

Mo Rush · July 9th, 2007, 02:52 PM

great renders of venues will always boost a bid. too many cities make the mistake thinking average looking renders will get them anywhere. its about vision and ensuring that vision is in the minds of the 100+ ioc members when they are voting.

Stan · July 9th, 2007, 02:55 PM

Compact games with Coastal Cluster and Mountain cluster and road and rail links between them:

Coastal Cluster, everything will be build form scratch:

Stan · July 9th, 2007, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mo Rush

great renders of venues will always boost a bid. too many cities make the mistake thinking average looking renders will get them anywhere. its about vision and ensuring that vision is in the minds of the 100+ ioc members when they are voting.

Exactly, if you read that document each venue has some sort of "theme" to it, I will try and list them sometime later. Its just to much to list, everything is in this big pdf file here http://sochi2014.com/sochidwnld/bid_...08%20sprds.pdf

OtAkAw · July 9th, 2007, 03:03 PM

Nice venues

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July 6th, 2007, 01:26 AM	#61
Mo Rush life.love.everything else Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Cape Town Posts: 29,212 Likes (Received): 2	"best" bid is different from "technical excellence". a bid is about marketing yourself, and sochi did that the technical evaluation phase is about ensuring that each shortlisted city is capable. from that point onwards its about the glitz and glamour and you would be naiive to believe that you could win without that these days __________________ You don't need a Holiday, you need CAPE TOWN #cityofinspiration

July 6th, 2007, 04:37 AM	#63
TEBC Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: São Paulo Posts: 12,275 Likes (Received): 632	Support Misha Bear back for Sochi!! http://www.petitiononline.com/misha14/petition.html __________________ rio 20!6 Viva essa Paixão

July 6th, 2007, 04:40 AM	#64
TEBC Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: São Paulo Posts: 12,275 Likes (Received): 632	Support Misha Bear back for Sochi!! http://www.petitiononline.com/misha14/petition.html __________________ rio 20!6 Viva essa Paixão Last edited by TEBC; July 7th, 2007 at 05:47 AM.

July 6th, 2007, 04:42 AM	#65
TEBC Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: São Paulo Posts: 12,275 Likes (Received): 632	Support Misha Bear back for Sochi!! http://www.petitiononline.com/misha14/petition.html __________________ rio 20!6 Viva essa Paixão

July 6th, 2007, 11:55 AM	#66
BobDaBuilder Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Yarck Posts: 1,553 Likes (Received): 1	^ The Beluga Sturgeon might be more appropriate, it inhabits the Black and Caspian. I've still got my Misha from 1980! __________________ In the 1960s and 1970s, British rock bands ruled the world. Now they have Susan Boyle.

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SkyLerm Architranceture Feelings Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Anywhere in southern Madrid Posts: 1,853 Likes (Received): 2	OMG cool stadium :O __________________ The Rebirth Of Time Cuchiville

July 6th, 2007, 08:10 PM	#69
bumdingo Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 143 Likes (Received): 0	Great, a winter Olympics in deepest Russia, it'll be bloody freezing and get snowed off

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July 7th, 2007, 06:40 AM	#73
BobDaBuilder Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Yarck Posts: 1,553 Likes (Received): 1	We could call it Putin the Sturgeon in honour of our great premier who crushes all his opposition! __________________ In the 1960s and 1970s, British rock bands ruled the world. Now they have Susan Boyle.

July 9th, 2007, 02:30 PM	#74
Stan NZ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wellington Posts: 481 Likes (Received): 0	Use the same Misha but in white, polar bear type Misha will be the best choice. I saw it on the net somewhere....

July 9th, 2007, 02:43 PM	#75
Stan NZ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wellington Posts: 481 Likes (Received): 0	This is a link with all the venues and descriptions: http://sochi2014.com/sochidwnld/bid_...08%20sprds.pdf I will post some of them here: The Bolshoi Ice Palace is a description of a 12,000-seat multi-purpose arena in Sochi, Russia that is currently in the planning stages. "Bolshoi" literally means "Large", hence the correct English name for the Bolshoi Ice Palace would be the "Large Ice Palace". It is due to be open in 2009. After it is completed, it will host some of the ice hockey events at the 2014 Winter Olympics along with Maly Ice Palace. Both venues will be 300 m for each other. The Maly Ice Palace is a description of a 7,000-seat multi-purpose arena in Sochi, Russia that is currently in the planning stages. "Maly" literally means "Small", hence the correct English name for the arena would be "Small Ice Palace". It is due to be open in 2013. After it is completed, it will host some of the ice hockey events at the 2014 Winter Olympics along with Bolshoi Ice Palace. Both venues will be 300 m for each other. It will cost $27.2 million to build the venue, including the temporary works for the Olympics. After the Olympics, it will remain a sports arena and concert venue.

July 9th, 2007, 02:50 PM	#76
Stan NZ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wellington Posts: 481 Likes (Received): 0	Speed Stating Arena (8000 capacity) Figure skating Curling more projects and descriptions at http://sochi2014.com/sochidwnld/bid_...08%20sprds.pdf

July 9th, 2007, 02:52 PM	#77
Mo Rush life.love.everything else Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Cape Town Posts: 29,212 Likes (Received): 2	great renders of venues will always boost a bid. too many cities make the mistake thinking average looking renders will get them anywhere. its about vision and ensuring that vision is in the minds of the 100+ ioc members when they are voting. __________________ You don't need a Holiday, you need CAPE TOWN #cityofinspiration

July 9th, 2007, 02:55 PM	#78
Stan NZ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wellington Posts: 481 Likes (Received): 0	Compact games with Coastal Cluster and Mountain cluster and road and rail links between them: Coastal Cluster, everything will be build form scratch:

July 9th, 2007, 03:03 PM	#80
OtAkAw BUMMED Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Makati Posts: 2,132 Likes (Received): 44	Nice venues

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