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I agree with you're last statement.. we should move on and look for a brighter future
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Whilst I cannot comment on Shahristani's personal relationship/gratitude to KRG for sheltering him, he would be a thief if he expressed his gratitude to Kurdistan at the expense of the people of Iraq's income! He can express gratitude to kurdistan in whatever shape or form he wants on a personal level. But he cannot do so with MY MONEY!! Shahristani is STILL IN CONTROL, in fact his controls have been widened. Its good that production has started from KRG (every penny counts) but we don't know exactly what price has been paid for the mistakes of KRG's "PSA contracts". In the end all of Iraq (including the citizens of Kurdistan) are paying to buy out the "opaque" contracts of Hawrami/Barzani from which ultimately nobody benefited but Hawrami/Barzani, and Iraq (including the KRG population!! Is picking up the tab for it!). the last highlighted bit is interesting. Can you let us know where that is detailed!
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[QUOTE=sheytanElKebir;71924937]The problem has not "disappeared" all that's happened is Iraq ended up getting a raw deal and paying out compensation to the companies that invested in KRG.
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if he was the oil of KRG wont be resuming i assure you 100% . he was taken of for a reason. Quote:
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as a result of disputes between Baghdad and the KRG over these oil contracts, no oil was officially exported from Kurdistan until feb 2nd 2011.
Shahristani has refused to pay expenses or interest to the foreign oil companies operating in Kurdistan, oil export was suspended in September 2009, after having started just a few months before in June 2009. Quote:
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At the end of the day like you said, increase in oil KRG oil production will have a positive effect on all of Iraq, an increase in oil production in the south will have a positive on all of Iraq. If we look further in 20 years, Iraq (including Kurdistan) can be a leading oil producer and we can also be linked to the EU gas pipeline (I've seen articles claiming that the EU is looking at gas from kurdistan), Iraq can also have a good tourism market from the religious/historical sights of the south/central to the mountainous/historical sights of kurdistan, all that can be achieved! and Iraqis can have a good quality life for once. |
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sigh.
First of all, I work in Iraq so it is my money. we got that out of the way. Look. I will ATTEMPT to make you understand this, so I will go very slowly. I am not trying to ARGUE with you, I am not trying to INSULT KURDISTANT, I am simply showing you what exactly happened with the oil contracts. After 2003, the large oil companies (IOCs and Supermajors) wanted to come into Iraq, but they wanted PSA contracts that gave them a % of the income. The first Iraqi governments which were very close to the US wanted to pass through the "Iraqi Oil Law" which would have granted foreign companies unprecedented rights and reversing the Oil Nationalisation of 1960s. That was the ultimate goal. The Oil law never got passed due to sadrists and others who opposed it. Yes something GOOD by sadrists and baathists! (it is a rare phenomenon). The US and the IOCs and Supermajors were constantly pressurising Iraq to accept PSAs and Oil Law... but it didn't budge. After 2006 when Maliki and Shahristani came in they reviewed the contracts and asked for the IOCs and Supermajors to come to Iraq and take on long term service contracts. They refused. This delayed any oil development work... the companies even refused to sell Iraq many parts needed to maintain existing facilities in order to pressure Iraq to accept PSAs. In the meantime the US government, British Ambassador (galbraith) were "working on the kurds" (their words) in order to break Iraq. They would "divide and rule" as per the good old days. So they convinced KRG to accept PSAs, oil companies started going into KRG, and the US and Oil Majors / Supermajors were now pointing the "loser iraqis" towards the "progressive kurds" who had accepted PSAs and now companies were working there.... whilst Iraq's own facilities were falling apart! This continued for several years, during which Iraq repeatedly tried to get in the major service contractors, IOCs, Supermajors to no avail (everyone was "holding out" for a better deal, waiting for Iraq to cave in and give them the PSAs / pass the oil law). In the end, Shahristani made one move, and with the stroke of a pen changed the situation upside down. By banning any company bidding in KRG from work in Iraq he effectively check-mated the IOC/Supermajor game. They caved in, and reluctantly came to bid for service contracts... they all bid "standard rates" $5-$11 initially... and only CNPC/BP stabbed the others in the back by agreeing to take on Rumaila for $2/barrel! in the first round. After this, the others thought... we can't let CNPC/BP take it all in the next round! So in the second bidding round, they were bidding $1.3 per barrel!!!! iraq had finally won, after a long and arduous battle with the oil majors. But what was Hawrami's role in all this? He was effectively the shrill for the "PSA / Oil law" oil majors which needlessly delayed the entry of the oil companies into Iraq for many years! Since KRG get 17% of ALL oil wealth, the BETTER THE CONTRACT the MORE MONEY that KRG gets! Simple! Had Iraq gone the "Hawrami way" (as you would please) then Today for every $100/barrel sold, Iraq would PAY about $25!!! to the oil majors! compared to an average of about $4 with the "shahristani service contracts!" how does an EXTRA $21/barrel in Iraq (and Kurdistan's!) pocket sound? you tell me. At Iraq's current export levels that's $44M per day EXTRA INCOME by service contracts vs PSA (or about $16Bn per year EXTRA!!!! for service contracts). To make that clearer to you, about something that you would care for. that would be $2.8Bn EXTRA for the KRG budget !! That Shahristani negotiated for you, which hawrami would have given to the foreign oil companies! lets take it even further. At current price, in 7 years time (6M export / day). That would be $126M/day extra income for Iraq, $46Bn extra income for Iraq per year. Or, if KRG is still in Iraq in 7 years... $7.8Bn/year EXTRA income for Kurdistan! thanks to Shahristani, that Hawrami wanted to give to the Oil companies. so finally. Whilst Shahristani should certainly be grateful to kurdistan for saving him and sheltering him when he was under threat of death. Perhaps it is time for the people of Kurdistan to appreciate Shahristani for doing his job so well and bringing so much extra income to the people of Kurdistan? Money which their fellow kurd wanted to give to the oil companies as profit.
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Sheytan, I've heard about the $15-16 but not $25. I also believe your not taking into consideration other factors such as no one actually knew how much oil would be found in kurdistan, the fields are un-explored, there are a lot of political risks, some that the south does not face (i.e. Turkey, PKK etc) these factors would increase the amount of money an oil company would want, also I believe that the KRG did what was right and should make sure they sign their own contracts. The bidding war that goes on for existing oil fields in the south can not be compared with the un-explored fields in kurdistan, hence the price difference.
P.S: What do you know about the Erbil-Baghdad oil deal? are the contracts going to be re-defined to fit in line with Baghdad's contracts? Last edited by kurd123; February 3rd, 2011 at 11:06 PM. |
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Yes, the KRG contracts will be revised from PSA to service contracts.
I hope the Iraqis drive a hard bargain, since the companies can hardly remove their pipes anymore But since production has resumed, I am guessing that the oil companies have caved in (their share price falls all across the board seems to indicate that). It will all be great now it seems (finally!). The most important thing is that the cancer of PSA has been averted. Now the next hope is that KRGs oil fields are added to Iraq's overall reserve figures!! Which would bring Iraq's reserves to 175bn barrels.
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P.S I looked at an article that gave some information regarding the amount of money that the oil companies would have got, they basically get quite a bit of money until the oil production hits 500,000+ by year 5 (At 1 million barrels per day) the amount of money they get per barrel would have dropped to 5.2%. http://pukmedia.com/english/index.ph...ues&Itemid=385 But if the companies cave into something similar to baghdads contracts, then even better .P.S: KGP has the potential of finding 16 billion barrels +! so yes, hopefully the KRG's oil and gas reserves will be added to Iraqs, and if an agreement is finally reached, the big companies can also develop kurdistans fields? |
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Yes. Ideally add KRGs reserves to Iraq (increase iraq's total, I think sometime in April we will know... I am expecting the reserves to hit 175Bn AT LEAST).
Develop the remaining domes for oil and gas around kirkuk (KRG had blocked those service agreements) Bring in the SuperMajors to develop the new KRG fields. In fact, the only problem I see now is that Iraq is going way TOO QUICKLY in ramping up production and reserves. I hope demand will still be there in 6-7 year time. otherwise we'll be crashing the price to $20/barrel
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And, I think so too.. those small companies constantly say 'it's better we stay as exploration companies'. I hope the prices for barrels stay relatively high for the next 20 years at least, by then hopefully Iraq can move onto other economical means. |
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OPITO Wins Iraqi Oil Training Contract
02 February 2011. British training body OPITO has signed a landmark memorandum of understanding with the Iraq Ministry for Oil, Training and Development Directorate to help the war-torn country develop the skills and training necessary to enable exploitation of its hydrocarbon resources. With Iraq gearing up to produce 12 million barrels of oil per day, OPITO estimates they will require a skilled workforce of around 600,000. A unique, not-for-profit organisation, OPITO is wholly owned by the oil and gas industry and responsible for ensuring it has a safe, skilled and competent workforce. With operations in Aberdeen, Dubai and Kuala Lumpur, OPITO delivers standards, qualifications and workforce development frameworks used by employers in 30 countries. Under the terms of the agreement signed in Amman, OPITO will work with the Ministry to understand the skills needs and provide specialist guidance and support to help the country build a world-class learning infrastructure. This will ensure that the people of Iraq can obtain the skills, knowledge and qualifications needed to access jobs in the country’s oil and gas industry for now and in the long-term future. OPITO will also establish a fit-for-purpose workforce development framework for Iraq based on the global OPITO standards and qualifications. Initially the organisation will work on the development of four national oil training institutes in Baghdad, Tikrit, Kirkuk and Basrah. David Doig, OPITO group chief executive, said: “This is an exciting opportunity for OPITO and acknowledgement of the high regard in which our standards are held globally. But more importantly this is a major step forward for the people of Iraq, who if they are to successfully re-build their country must create a safe, sustainable and profitable oil and gas industry.
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Iraq’s Jan Oil Exports Highest Since 2003
02 February 2011. Iraq exported an average of 2.163 million barrels of oil per day in January, up from 1.951 million bpd in December, its highest level since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion, a top oil official said on Wednesday. Falah Alamri, head of the State Oil Marketing Organisation (SOMO), told Reuters on the sidelines of an energy conference in Istanbul that he expected oil exports to continue to increase in the coming months. The previous highest monthly exports since the invasion were achieved in July 2009, when shipments reached 2.037 million bpd, according to SOMO figures. Alamri said Iraq exported 409,000 bpd in January from its northern fields near the city of Kirkuk, plus another 10,000 bpd taken through Jordan by truck. As usual, the bulk of the exports was shipped from the southern oil hub of Basra. Iraq’s oil production has reached 2.7 million bpd, the first time it has reached that level in 20 years as investment increased and violence dropped.
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In an interview with the French news agency AFP yesterday, The Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said that Iraq will respect the profit-sharing oil contracts that Kurdistan has signed with foreign companies, bringing to an end a long-standing dispute between the Kurds and Baghdad.nuri al-maliki in kurdistan
Kurdistan stopped exporting oil in October 2009 amid disputes with the federal government over payments to foreign oil companies and the two sides have been locked in talks ever since. The Kurdish contracts were signed on a profit-sharing basis while Baghdad has shown a strong preference for service contracts in which the foreign firms are paid a fixed sum for every additional barrel of oil extracted. Maliki said that Baghdad had finally accepted the contracts signed in Kurdistan because the extraction of crude oil in the region was more difficult and costly than in the south. "The oil ministry accepted these contracts because the nature of the extraction in Kurdistan is different from Basra," Maliki told AFP in an interview, referring to Iraq's oil-rich southern province. "There is a need for bigger efforts there; while in Basra it (oil) is closer to the surface. It's difficult to have service contracts in Kurdistan but it's normal to have them in southern Iraq," he added. Maliki went on to say that output from the semi-autonomous Kurdistan Region would double to 200,000 barrels per day (bpd) by the end of 2011. "The companies continue producing according to the contract signed between them and the KRG (Kurdistan regional government), and will take their share, and what is left will come to the state budget," Maliki said. "The Kurds will not take anything other than the companies' share." Iraq’s central government had always maintained its opposition to Kurdistan signing its own contracts but Kurdish officials ignored Baghdad’s stance by signing agreements with foreign oil companies following the 2003 US-led invasion. The two Kurdish fields of Tawke and Tuk Tuk are currently being exploited; the former by the Norwegian firm DNO with a production of 60,000 bpd, and the latter by the Turkish firm Genel Enerji producing 40,000 bpd. Both contracts were signed in 2004. With 143.1bn barrels of crude oil, Iraq has the fourth largest proven reserves in the world behind Saudia Arabia, Venezuela and Iran. Currently producing 2.5m bpd, Iraq’s output is expected to rise to 3m bpd by the end of the year. Overall exports which averaged around 1.05m bpd in December account for over 95% of Iraq’s revenue. |
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Maliki to accept kurdish oil deals
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FFP have been wrong many times before, we'll have to wait for official articles from KRG.org or Ninanews.
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I've already posted that piece up (its got the same quotes).
And as you can see from the lines i highlighted it seems to be contradictory...
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I think what it's trieng to say is that, the KRG will keep a certain amount from the money made to pay the companies, however the amount of money that is being paid to the companies have not been publically disclosed, in other words we don't know how much will be paid to the companies, and the rest of the money will go to Baghdad. |
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