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well this is a surprise. Diesel????
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wtf what a joke, I remember reading they plan to "solve" the electricity problem by 2012.. now they're aiming for 16 hrs a day only using diesel generators ! what the hell happend to the tens of powerplants with GE / Seimens turbines there were suppose to be finished by then ?!! |
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Possibly a lack of local technical expertise in designing, constructing, and operating. I would also assume that their early estimates were over-optimistic because they were not aware of the issues they would face.
But hey, 5000mw is better than 0mw. |
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these are in ADDITION to the GE/Siemens units (which are about 6-7GW).
SO capacity will be in the 18-20GW range by 2015. That SHOULD cover all Iraq's needs as long as there's sufficient fuel for the plants! With regards to expertise, Iraqi companies have built 1GW+ gas turbine plants with no issues. The only issue is the availability of cash for the equipment as well as the availability of gas from the Southern Gas Company.
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Does Iraq produce enough diesel to power these generators?
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diesel generator plants are not efficient, and are more pollutive, it's not a smart choice, but i guess it's faster and cheaper than other alternatives..
In anycase, i don't like this.. it shows a lack of competence (as ardamir suggested) for them to resport to this somwhat desperate measure.. what concerns me is WHERE did they manage to get the funds for it ?! they were complaining for years to find enough funds for the GE/Siemens plants.. and now suddenly they have enough for deisel plants ? ![]() If they had access to funds all along, why on earth didn't they manage the GE/Siemens plants better ?? most of the delay was after all due to lack fo funds and investors.. |
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Turkish Company to Build Power Plant in Ninewa
31 March 2011. The local government in Ninewa signed a deal with a Turkish company on Wednesday to build a gas-fired electricity generating plant. The plant will generate 750 Megawatts, a source from the Ninewa governor’s office told Aswat al-Iraq news agency. “The $388 million-deal aims to improve the electricity in the province,” he noted.
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this is an interesting development. The first BOT power station in "Iraq" (outside KRG).
BAGHDAD, April 6 (Reuters) - Iraq's Electricity Ministry said on Wednesday it had shortlisted two private Kurdish-owned companies to build and operate a power plant costing up to $1 billion in Iraq's southern Basra province. Iraq will select the winner between the two companies -- Jordan-based Mass Global Investment Co and Arbil-based Kar Group -- at the end of April, electricity ministry spokesman Musab al-Mudarres said in a statement. The 1,250 megawatt power plant will be constructed on a build-own-operate basis in Shatt al-Basra, in Basra, Iraq's southern oil hub. The winning company will then sell the power generated by the plant to the government, the statement said. The plant is due to start operating in May 2013. Iraq needs more than 15,000 megawatts to meet peak summer demand. Its supply this summer is projected to be just 7,000 megawatts, enough to supply just eight hours of power a day. Electricity demand in Iraq has risen since the 2003 U.S. invasion, but the national grid still only supplies a few hours of power per day, a major cause of discontent in a country that sits atop some of the world's biggest oil reserves. (Reporting by Aseel Kami and Ahmed Rasheed; Editing by Caroline Drees and Jane Baird) once again. "Mass group" is in there... (the baathi guy who was Jash for saddam in the 1980s), where on earth can they find the $200M+ deposit needed to raise the $1.3Bn CAPEX for such a thing (in addition to all their other investments in Kurdistan already...).. one wonders!
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this is another one of the GE/Siemens turbine deals.
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To be fair, alot of people in the KRG were one day 'jash' as I went back to Kurdistan, in my home tome I took a walk with my grandfather who served in the peshmerga and he could point out people that hew knew were jash and now funnily enough they are hardcore nationalists hating on the current KRG government for not declaring independence, but they were minor jash as far as I'm aware that guy was quite a major jash? What a bunch of $##$ lol Is mass company considered to be a Kurdish company? :S I hope kar wins and great to see more local companies taking over!
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its good to see locals making large investments. But I am afraid that some of the companies out of Amman Jordan (like Mass) are funded by shady cash... seems no one really cares there.
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AMMAN—Iraq's electricity ministry has clinched a deal with a consortium of South Korean companies to build 25 power plants worth up to $3.125 billion, a ministry spokesman said Thursday.
The consortium includes major South Korean industrial firms such Hyundai Heavy Industries Co., STX Heavy Industries Co. Ltd, Doosan Heavy Industries and LG, Mussab Al Mudaris said. The deal, which was signed by Iraqi Electricity Minister Raad Shalal in Baghdad Wednesday, would include installing 25 power plants in various parts of Iraq with total production of 2,500 megawatts, Mr. Mudaris said. The power stations should be up and running by the summer of 2012, he added. He said that contracts to build another 25 power plants with 2,500 megawatts of power-generation capacity would also be awarded soon. These would cost another $3.125 billion to build, he added. The ministry has also short-listed this week two firms to build a $1 billion power plant in the southern Basra governorate. Mass Global Investment Co. and Kar Group, two Kurdish private companies, are competing to win the deal to produce some 1,250 megawatts of power. The project is meant to provide quick power to Iraqis who have been suffering from acute shortages of electricity. Iraq's ageing power stations produce only about 6,500 megawatts, less than half the country's actual needs.
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this is for the diesel power plants isn't it?
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it sounds like it. each plant is 100MW.
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what's the state of electricity these days?
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South Korea’s Hyundai Heavy Industries Co. tendered the lowest of six bids for the construction of a 500-megawatt power plant in central Iraq, an Iraqi Electricity Ministry official said.
Hyundai Heavy bid $158.9 million for the work, which will help boost power supplies and ease the outages that have sapped Iraq’s economy. Metka SA (METTK) of Greece, Turkey’s Enka Insaat & Sanayi AS, Lanco Infratech Ltd. (LANCI) of India, and companies from Iraq and Jordan also bid for the project, Deputy Electricity Minister Salam Qazaz said in an interview today. “The winner of the bid will be announced between three days and one week following a study of technical and financial aspects of the tender,” Qazaz said in Baghdad. The natural-gas fired plant in Najaf is to be built within 18 months, he said. In a separate bid, Hyundai Heavy, Lanco Infratech, three Iraqi groups and an Italian company submitted offers to build a 250-megawatt power station in Al-Qaim in western Iraq, Sabih Ishak, a director general at the Electricity Ministry, said in an interview from Baghdad. Results will be announced April 17, he said. The plant will run on gas from the nearby Akkas field, he said. Conflict, Sabotage Iraq’s electricity plants and distribution system have suffered through years of conflict, sanctions and sabotage. Iraqis receive power from the national grid for an average of about one hour in every five. Frequent outages hamper economic reconstruction, and protests over unreliable electricity supplies have made the issue a major concern of the government. Former Electricity Minister Karim Wahid resigned last June after two people were killed in riots over blackouts and power rationing. Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki pledged to address the problem after forming his new government in December. A group of South Korean companies signed contracts on April 7 to build 25 power stations, half of 50 that are planned at a total value of $6.25 billion. Caterpillar Inc. (CAT) and Man SE (MAN) are among companies that have bid for the remaining 25 plants, Electricity Minister Raad Shallal said on March 23. The government also invited bids in December for the construction of four bigger plants that would raise generating capacity by a combined 2,750 megawatts. Those bids will be for a 1,250-megawatt plant near Basra, and three plants of 500 megawatts each in the cities of Samawa, Diwaniya and Amarah. Power supply this summer will improve to an average of eight hours a day nationwide, up from about six hours a day last summer, Shallal said last month. Iraq produces 7,000 megawatts and imports an additional 1,000 megawatts, while demand is about 14,000 megawatts, he said.
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Iraq to build 50 power plants by 2012
I got this from another foroum posted by; rendi-mont 03-23-2011, 11:08 AM
Iraq said on Wednesday it plans to build 50 power plants by the summer of 2012 to alleviate shortages, one of the reasons behind violent protests that have rocked the country for more than a month. "In the short term, nationwide we will build 50 stations with a capacity of 100 megawatts," Electricity Minister Raad Shalal told reporters. "Work will begin immediately and be completed in the summer of 2012, but the first effects will be felt next winter" when the plants connect to the grid, he added. The units, costing $6.25 billion, would be installed by US company Caterpillar, MAN of Germany and an unidentified South Korean firm. Iraqis currently receive no more than six hours of state-supplied electricity per day in winter, and less than four hours in the summer. Those who can afford it get added supplies from private generators. Poor public services, official corruption and government inefficiency have been behind nationwide protests since mid-February. Angry Iraqis staged violent demonstrations last summer in several southern cities over power rationing as temperatures reached 54 degrees Celsius (130 degrees Fahrenheit) and air conditioners sat idle. Shalal said that during the medium term, gas-powered generators purchased in 2008 will have been installed and become operational. "They will provide a total of 10,000 megawatts when they are completed and connected to the grid in mid-2014," he said. Iraq's entire electricity network -- from generation plants to hub stations and transmission lines -- took a beating under the 1980-88 war with Iraq, the 1991 Gulf War, more than a decade of UN sanctions that followed, and finally by the US invasion in 2003 and the insurgent attacks that have followed. Currently, electricity production and imports from Syria and Iran total about 7,000 megawatts, with demand around twice as much. http://arabia.msn.com/News/MiddleEas...on=allfeatured Another article: http://af.reuters.com/article/energy...34321320110323 |
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i doubt it can happen ? idnno its a good thing .. lets hope
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cool article 1b6ub9 (btw I like your user name
)Is it okay if i move this thread to the electricty sector thread on the main page (since we've posted about this same subject there)? I will keep it here if you want it to be here
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