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Old February 15th, 2011, 11:13 PM   #2061
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Somebody sounds panariod.......listening to Fox news eh....
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Old February 16th, 2011, 08:44 AM   #2062
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The problem with the Acela is that northeast of NYC, the NEC mainline that it uses hugs the coastline with unbelievable amounts of tight curvature, especially in Connecticut, that its current speed is as fast as it physically can go.
Acela goes as fast as current regulations allow it to go. The limit is not physics, its bureaucracy.
It could go faster if higher speeds in the curves where permitted.
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Old February 16th, 2011, 09:51 AM   #2063
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I think the best way to improve our rail system is to upgrade Acela and show how clean, efficient, and convenient rail traveling is.

Imagine Acela going at 200mph, it would take 3 hours or even less between Boston and DC.
How long does Acela currently take to do Boston->DC?
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Old February 16th, 2011, 02:08 PM   #2064
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How long does Acela currently take to do Boston->DC?
little less than 6 hr iirc
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Old February 16th, 2011, 02:20 PM   #2065
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Hence impractical as a true competitor for air (I doubt many people drive or take buses all the way down I-95 and NJ Turnpike from BOS to WAS).

As for FRA regulations, they are written with an extreme concern about safety. They might be reviewed - but carefully.
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Old February 16th, 2011, 03:18 PM   #2066
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What's the ticket price currently?
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Old February 16th, 2011, 03:29 PM   #2067
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As for FRA regulations, they are written with an extreme concern about safety. They might be reviewed - but carefully.
They might be written with the intention to provide safety, but they are certainly not written with an extreme concern about obtaining safety in an efficient way. Looking at how other countries achieve rail that is at the same time more performant and safer does make a lot of sense.

Acela is allowed to go around curves about as fast as a French TGV is, where the latter isn't even tilting. Tilting trains in Europe go around curves a lot faster. What does it have to do with safety that this isn't allowed in the US?
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Old February 16th, 2011, 06:06 PM   #2068
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Acela is allowed to go around curves about as fast as a French TGV is, where the latter isn't even tilting. Tilting trains in Europe go around curves a lot faster. What does it have to do with safety that this isn't allowed in the US?
A lower tolerance for failure in US than in Europe. If fatal accidents happen in rail transport (other than suicides, vehicles running through closed gates), some people here have a very fatalist attitude: "meh, that happens, we just suck it and move on".
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Old February 16th, 2011, 07:38 PM   #2069
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Not really. US has a very low attention span when it comes to infrastructural disasters.
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Old February 16th, 2011, 07:40 PM   #2070
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Florida’s Governor Rejects Tampa-Orlando High-Speed Rail Line
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/17/us/17rail.html
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Old February 16th, 2011, 07:51 PM   #2071
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Florida’s Governor Rejects Tampa-Orlando High-Speed Rail Line
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/17/us/17rail.html
Oh well, Florida can reap the benefits of wider highways and years of more traffic and congestion.

This is the second HSR project that state has rejected now....i think it's time to move on to somewhere serious.
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Old February 16th, 2011, 08:16 PM   #2072
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Florida’s Governor Rejects Tampa-Orlando High-Speed Rail Line
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/17/us/17rail.html
Can't say I'm sad or surprised about that.
Give it to us, we'll put it to good use here.
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Old February 16th, 2011, 09:23 PM   #2073
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Florida is such a stupid state, and they get what they deserve.
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Old February 16th, 2011, 10:05 PM   #2074
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This rejection of progress is sheer anti-Americanism on the part of the Florida governor.
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Old February 16th, 2011, 11:09 PM   #2075
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Good more money for Acela improvement.
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Old February 16th, 2011, 11:20 PM   #2076
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Good more money for Acela improvement.
Thats not going to the Acela , its going to Cali and IL. The Acela is getting 70 more cars though...
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This rejection of progress is sheer anti-Americanism on the part of the Florida governor.
Using federal money to fund a high speed train does not equal progress.
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Old February 17th, 2011, 02:34 AM   #2078
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If I had to list the critical corridors for high speed rail, Orlando to Tampa wouldn't really be one of them. But I guess it did seem to be the lob they wanted to knock out of the park. Kindof like using Epcot to demo monorails. Just as well I suppose.

If I ruled the US with the iron fist I sometimes wish I could wield, it'd be the biggest cities first. LA to Bay Area, DC to NY, and the Chicago Spiderweb. If a governor got in my way, I'd build the tracks straight through their state's capitol building .

Too many people want this for it to NOT happen somewhere. And Florida will be kicking itself for passing on the chance to be one of the first.
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Old February 17th, 2011, 05:12 AM   #2079
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Agreed. The guy is a crook. He needs to be ousted.
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Old February 17th, 2011, 05:38 AM   #2080
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Oh well, Florida can reap the benefits of wider highways and years of more traffic and congestion.

This is the second HSR project that state has rejected now....i think it's time to move on to somewhere serious.
Wider highways? Ha! More traffic congestion, definitely! This backwards state can't do anything right, highways are terrible, mass transit barely exists, it goes on and on. The governor is a crook and I can't believe how stupid the people here were to elect him.
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