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Old April 6th, 2011, 08:33 PM   #2421
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How cool would it be to see a HSR loop on the Tehachapi just like the famous frieght line there. It would be pretty neat to see a train zip around a closed loop like that at 150+ mph. Probably require seat belts for the passengers though.
(hehehehe)

Actually, from what I am aware of, true high speed passenger trainsets aren't as picky about grades as are freight trains, so a loop won't be needed there.

OTOH, I'm wondering how long it will be before we see the tunnels on the freight line upgraded to double track....

(IMHO, if the USA ever converts to full 'open access' for railroads, that freight line would likely have to be upgraded to at least double track and FAST!)

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Old April 7th, 2011, 02:58 AM   #2422
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(hehehehe)

Actually, from what I am aware of, true high speed passenger trainsets aren't as picky about grades as are freight trains, so a loop won't be needed there.

OTOH, I'm wondering how long it will be before we see the tunnels on the freight line upgraded to double track....

(IMHO, if the USA ever converts to full 'open access' for railroads, that freight line would likely have to be upgraded to at least double track and FAST!)

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High speed trains are much more picky about curve radius, though, so as funny as a HSR loop might be, it won't happen :P They'll build more (or rather longer) tunnels and bridges instead.

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Old April 7th, 2011, 03:01 PM   #2423
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High speed trains are much more picky about curve radius, though, so as funny as a HSR loop might be, it won't happen :P They'll build more (or rather longer) tunnels and bridges instead.
We know they'd never do it, just thinking how cool it would be to watch if they ever did.
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Old April 10th, 2011, 07:05 PM   #2424
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It seems like HSR funding will be more difficult to come by in the future.
http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2...on-the-budget/
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Old April 10th, 2011, 11:40 PM   #2425
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It seems like HSR funding will be more difficult to come by in the future.
http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2...on-the-budget/
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Old April 12th, 2011, 08:19 PM   #2426
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It seems like HSR funding will be more difficult to come by in the future.
http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2...on-the-budget/
If the GOP wins in 2012, whatever projects for HSR that have not yet been approved will be killed instantly.

In fact, I won't be surprised if the tea party puts on enough pressure to DC to completely de fund public transit and a measure is passed to prevent any public transit projects from going forward unless they meet specific guidelines, like cutting down on auto commute times. I've heard that some vocal tea party members are trying to push just that.

On top of that, I won't be surprised if the GOP pass numerous legislation effectively banning HSR unless it drastically cuts down on auto commute times and is cost effective.

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Old April 12th, 2011, 09:55 PM   #2427
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With a definition of "cost effective" that no project would ever satisfy.
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Old April 12th, 2011, 11:57 PM   #2428
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With a definition of "cost effective" that no project would ever satisfy.
Projects whose operations could be entirely paid by fares would be a reasonable criteria. It would be something akin to public highways: the investment on the tracks, signaling etc. is considered a public good for the general welfare, while the purchase/lease, operation and maintenance of rolling stock and of ticket vending machines/counters.
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Old April 13th, 2011, 06:57 PM   #2429
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We know they'd never do it, just thinking how cool it would be to watch if they ever did.
A bit like this?

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Old April 14th, 2011, 07:34 PM   #2430
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U.S. high-speed rail program hit by deep budget cuts
By Steve Kastenbaum, CNN Radio correspondent
April 13, 2011 8:18 p.m. EDT


STORY HIGHLIGHTS

  • Battle over federal budget cuts leaves high-speed rail with no money for 2011
  • Amount cut from program is unclear, with reports of $1.4 billion to $4.4 billion
  • Original plan called for $53 billion spent over 25 years to connect regional cities
  • Supporters say program would create jobs, boost economy; critics say it's too expensive


(CNN) -- President Barack Obama's plan for a national high-speed rail network suffered a serious setback as a result of the fight over budget cuts. No money will be allocated for high-speed rail projects for the remainder of 2011.

Supporters have pointed to the plan as a job creator and economy booster, while critics have expressed doubts about whether spending billions of dollars on high-speed rail is the best use of federal funds.

The news came as a blow to high-speed rail advocates such as Petra Todorovich of the Regional Plan Association in New York. "Obviously, it's a disappointment for many of the states that were seeking funding from the high-speed rail program," Todorovich said, "and it's a loss of momentum as we scale up for the president's ambitious proposal."

As details of the budget compromise on Capitol Hill were made available to the public there was confusion over just how much money was being cut from the high-speed rail program. Some published reports put the figure at $2.9 billion, and at least one said it was as much as $4.4 billion.

But the U.S. Department of Transportation's figure is significantly lower. Federal Rail Administration officials claim that they lost what amounts to $1.4 billion in funds for high-speed rail.

The budget bill says the amount of money for "Department of Transportation, Federal Railroad Administration, Capital Assistance for High Speed Rail Corridors and Intercity Passenger Rail Service shall be $0" for the remainder of fiscal year 2011. Another section of the bill rescinds $400 million from the funds that were already budgeted for high-speed rail in 2010.

The cuts will not affect projects already under way across the United States, according to DOT officials. Projects that have been awarded grants will keep their funding. But that's not to say that there aren't concerns about future funding.

"It's always worrisome when an important infrastructure initiative becomes politicized," Todorovich said. "It's a big setback."

Proponents of California's high-speed rail project are concerned about the cuts and whether they can depend on future funding for a line that will ultimately link Los Angeles with San Francisco. The first phase is moving forward in the state's Central Valley.

Todorovich said that so far state officials have secured about $3 billion for a project that will cost about $50 billion. They were counting on federal dollars for the bulk of the remainder.

Obama's vision for a national high-speed rail network took some hits even before it became a part of budget negotiations in Congress. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood redirected high-speed rail funds away from Wisconsin and Ohio after both Republican governors said they would oppose projects in their states.

Most recently, Florida Gov. Rick Scott, also a Republican, rejected a plan to link Tampa and Orlando via a high-speed rail line that ultimately would have grown to include Miami and Jacksonville among its stops. As a result, Florida lost $2.4 billion in federal funding. Now, Scott is taking credit for inspiring Washington to cut the rail program, according to the Broward-Palm Beach New Times.

Twenty-four states submitted requests to the DOT for a portion of Florida's high-speed rail funds. The department was in the process of reallocating the money when the budget cuts were announced.

The Obama administration has proposed spending $53 billion over a quarter of a century on a national high-speed rail network. The president's goal is to give 80 percent of Americans access to high-speed intercity trains by 2020.
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US TO INTRODUCE CHINA´S HIGH-SPEED RAIL CCTV News



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Chicago is on track to become the first American city to introduce China's high-speed railway system. Chinese companies are also expected to fund this billion-dollar project.

That's the word from Chicago Mayor Richard Daley. He's on a two-week visit in China at the invitation of the Chinese People's Association for Friendship with Foreign Countries.

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Lost in "creative" translation...

117km turned into 100. 30 min turned into 20!

And on top of this all is the O'Hara nonsense... The airport is about 30 km away from Chicago downtown. What sort of "Chinese High Speed" railway could be built there? It takes about same distance for the Beijing Tianjin train to accelerate to full speed (currently about 340km/h on that line).

Mayor was, prolly, just being polite... And hat in hand may be...

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Old April 18th, 2011, 01:16 PM   #2436
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The airport is about 30 km away from Chicago downtown. What sort of "Chinese High Speed" railway could be built there?
Then again, in most places in the U.S., anything above 79mph can be considered "high speed rail"...
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Lost in "creative" translation...

117km turned into 100. 30 min turned into 20!

And on top of this all is the O'Hara nonsense... The airport is about 30 km away from Chicago downtown. What sort of "Chinese High Speed" railway could be built there? It takes about same distance for the Beijing Tianjin train to accelerate to full speed (about 340km/h on that line).

Mayor was, prolly, just being polite... And hat in hand may be...
A chinese Maglev ?
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Old April 18th, 2011, 10:13 PM   #2438
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A chinese Maglev ?
Does China make functional maglevs? I thought they just bought the one from Germany and were working on independently developing their own.
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Does China make functional maglevs? I thought they just bought the one from Germany and were working on independently developing their own.
Currently the only domestic Chinese maglev train is a medium speed (~120km/h) one which went on trial in 2009. http://pic.people.com.cn/GB/42592/9490856.html

In terms of high speed maglev, AVIC Chengdu Aircraft Corporation is license manufacturing the fairly mature TransRapid design.
http://mnc.people.com.cn/GB/126636/11325078.html
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Oh, didn't know they had rights to the Transrapid.
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