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Old November 7th, 2011, 04:53 PM   #2801
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Do you think CAlifornia has zero benefit from the costumer markets is other US states, from the 50 years during which college graduates from other states have flocked there to work on high-tech stuff, all the services provided by the feds etc?
No, and I said as much in my post ("Not to say, similarly, that California doesn't benefit from its interaction with other states..."). And frankly, the precise point you make only further supports my own: California is the economic engine of the Western U.S. It should be able to carry out projects, such as the HSR system construction, without as much fuss as there is.
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Old November 18th, 2011, 07:57 AM   #2802
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Bullet Train Supporters and Naysayers in Palo Alto, New Lawsuit Filed in the Central Valley
Wednesday, November 16, 2011, by Neal Broverman



The California high-speed rail proposal is trying to stay on track following the release of a new draft plan that put its inflation-adjusted pricetag at near $100 billion. We're currently in a 60 day comment period on the train's first segment through the Central Valley, and a public hearing was held yesterday in Palo Alto, home to a great deal of train opposition. The AP reports that there were the expected naysayers bemoaning the cost, but there were also labor organization leaders begging for the construction bonds to be passed so that people could be put back to work. Others stated that the bullet train will be cheaper than sinking money into freeways and airports (some people disputed that). The legislature will decide on whether to approve the construction bonds in January. Meanwhile, Kings County and two of its residents have dropped a lawsuit in the California High-Speed Rail Authority's lap, the Fresno Bee reports. The suit's arguments appear to have varying merit.

First, Kings County says that the "authority's construction of the [Central] Valley portion of the rail line illegally uses Prop 1A bond funds for a non-electric, or conventional, rail line," according to the Bee (1A created the authority and authorized the high-speed rail bonds). "The suit states that because the proposition called for an electric rail system, the use of proposition funds for a non-electric rail line--even in the 'preliminary' stage--violates state law." The County suit also says that Prop. 1A specifies that "bond funding could not exceed 50% of the funds spent on the Valley rail segment." Well, that's not really the situation, currently--the Central Valley segment is going to cost around $30 billion and the Feds have only given California about one-tenth of that, so a lot more will have to come from bonds. As for the residents joining Kings on the suit, they're suing over the train's impact on locals, including farmers.

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Old November 22nd, 2011, 10:44 PM   #2803
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Old November 22nd, 2011, 10:48 PM   #2804
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Old November 25th, 2011, 02:11 AM   #2805
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The Department of Transportation awarded two new grants for intercity rail upgrades in the past week.

One grant was $150 million to Michigan to upgrade the Chicago-Detroit line and another grant was $928.6 million to California for the first segment of their statewide high speed rail network.


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Old November 26th, 2011, 05:25 PM   #2806
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The Department of Transportation awarded two new grants for intercity rail upgrades in the past week.

One grant was $150 million to Michigan to upgrade the Chicago-Detroit line and another grant was $928.6 million to California for the first segment of their statewide high speed rail network.


http://www.fra.dot.gov/roa/press_rel...%2036-11.shtml

http://www.fra.dot.gov/roa/press_rel...%2037-11.shtml
The California grant is basically a lifeline to keep that embattled project in play until a more ideal political climate manifests itself (big if). The Chicago Detroit grant is for a "higher speed" (110mph max) line, using existing Amtrak equipment.
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Old November 27th, 2011, 04:09 AM   #2807
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how goes the california high speed train's construction?
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Old November 27th, 2011, 07:12 AM   #2808
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how its getting a grant from the FRA one of the big government agencies of railway operations in the United States this is a good thing folks, High Speed Rail is becoming more and more possible.

and i am exterminally excited for Illinois and California for the step in the right direction i saw their plans as of some time ago like a year and i got to say wow amazing America is coming back big time with Mass Transit yes.

anyways i am really happy yes there are people who oppose it but why for doesn't everybody wants to take away congestion, traffic and such and to avoid building more runways why do people oppose this so much yet it works for the rest of the world?

what makes the USA different then the rest of the world????????
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Old November 27th, 2011, 08:40 AM   #2809
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I don't know if it has been mentioned here but there is a plan being floated by Olmstead County, Minnesota and the Minnesota dept. of Transportation to build a true high speed rail line with speeds of 150 to 220 mph between Minneapolis and Rochester, MN. Given the amount of regional, national and international traffic generated by the Mayo Clinic in Rochester such a line might make sense.

The only articles I could find about it were in the Rochester Post Bulletin which requires a subscription, but the plan does have a website:

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Old November 27th, 2011, 03:37 PM   #2810
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how goes the california high speed train's construction?
What construction? They haven't even issued the draft Environmental Impact Report for the first section to be built. That will be issued in Spring of next year. This thing, if it's built won't be finished until (oy vey!) 2030.
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Old November 27th, 2011, 03:42 PM   #2811
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how its getting a grant from the FRA one of the big government agencies of railway operations in the United States this is a good thing folks, High Speed Rail is becoming more and more possible.

and i am exterminally excited for Illinois and California for the step in the right direction i saw their plans as of some time ago like a year and i got to say wow amazing America is coming back big time with Mass Transit yes.

anyways i am really happy yes there are people who oppose it but why for doesn't everybody wants to take away congestion, traffic and such and to avoid building more runways why do people oppose this so much yet it works for the rest of the world?

what makes the USA different then the rest of the world????????
I wish I could share your optimism. One of the problems is, many Americans do think that their nation is different than the rest of the world, and that passenger rail isn't worth investing in. But as Churchill said, America can be counted on doing the right thing, after it has exhausted all the other possibilities. May be too late by then, though...
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Old November 27th, 2011, 07:13 PM   #2812
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What construction? They haven't even issued the draft Environmental Impact Report for the first section to be built. That will be issued in Spring of next year. This thing, if it's built won't be finished until (oy vey!) 2030.
I think we all be dead when they going to start construction
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Old November 29th, 2011, 12:49 PM   #2813
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Maybe rail companies from the EU, Japan, China and South Korea should join and get some good lobbyists in DC.
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Old November 30th, 2011, 01:18 PM   #2814
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^And then the oil companies start crying out that lobbyists are taking over the government.
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Old November 30th, 2011, 04:32 PM   #2815
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Aren't corporations screaming about union lobbyists already. A bit more wining won't be so bad.
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Old November 30th, 2011, 06:35 PM   #2816
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^I was being very, very cynical, but you're right. My cynicism stems from the fact how auto and oil industries lobby against rail because "Amtrak receives $1 billion+ in federal funds per year" while neglecting to see that the government dishes out $30 billion a year just to maintain the Interstate (and we're not looking at the high oil subsidies, either.)

Seriously, how can high speed rail take off with oil so heavily subsidized?
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Old November 30th, 2011, 06:49 PM   #2817
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My cynicism stems from the fact how auto and oil industries lobby against rail because "Amtrak receives $1 billion+ in federal funds per year" while neglecting to see that the government dishes out $30 billion a year just to maintain the Interstate
You need to consider the income (gas taxes) that is earmarked for that purpose!

In any case, a 30:1 "subsidization" rate would be more than justified because for each passenger-mile transported by Amtrak, the Interstate system certainly transport more than 30, as Amtrak carries only 0,4% of all American mile-passengers.

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How is oil subsidized, and please don't come with the "40% of military expenses are used to protect oil sources" brouhaha.
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Old November 30th, 2011, 07:21 PM   #2818
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How is oil subsidized, and please don't come with the "40% of military expenses are used to protect oil sources" brouhaha.
I think this quote says it all:

Speaking at the Iowa Faith and Freedom Conference today, presidential candidate and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R) blasted Republicans for exempting oil and gas tax breaks from widespread budget cuts even as they targeted subsidies like ethanol:
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Old December 1st, 2011, 01:41 AM   #2819
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Calif. High Speed Rail Isn't Quick To Take Off

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