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View Poll Results: Should the US build or improve it's HSR network?
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Old January 6th, 2012, 10:12 AM   #2861
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Old January 6th, 2012, 02:58 PM   #2862
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yeah i kinda assumed this would take a very long time ior get delayed when I heard the $90 billion price tag.
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Old January 6th, 2012, 07:06 PM   #2863
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yeah i kinda assumed this would take a very long time ior get delayed when I heard the $90 billion price tag.
A huge problem here in the USA for any kind of major public infrastructure construction projects are prevailing wage laws and other union influences that nearly always have an effect of sending costs exploding out of control and that California is a major 'deep-blue' union-entrenched state. Add that to ROW-acquisition, environmental rules, regulations and mitigations, NIMBY, etc, and the 'sky's the limit'....



China, OTOH, does not have to worry about those sorts of things.

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Old January 6th, 2012, 09:04 PM   #2864
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I disagree ... t'is the directors and managers who are positioned at feeling plucky taking their cuts; unions' clout, influence is just about extinguished, already for quite a while now ... (do remind yourself that) it was union action that brought about safety regulations, which in themselves seem to be being chipped away too nowadays ... sounds quite dashing, eh?

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Old January 6th, 2012, 09:44 PM   #2865
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A huge problem here in the USA for any kind of major public infrastructure construction projects are prevailing wage laws and other union influences that nearly always have an effect of sending costs exploding out of control and that California is a major 'deep-blue' union-entrenched state. Add that to ROW-acquisition, environmental rules, regulations and mitigations, NIMBY, etc, and the 'sky's the limit'....



China, OTOH, does not have to worry about those sorts of things.

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How do you explain new HSR being built constantly in Spain and France, where wages are higher, unions are more powerful, and environmental regulations are even stricter?
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Old January 6th, 2012, 11:38 PM   #2866
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One of Quebec's Delegates General has just been interviewed by CBC Radio, and who, rambling, just reported successful progress at petitioning American authorities for HSR to Montreal, altogether in the midst of (sandwiched into) his reporting/answering on the (favourable) statuses of some dockets on intercultural and educational affairs
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Old January 7th, 2012, 08:30 AM   #2867
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How do you explain new HSR being built constantly in Spain and France, where wages are higher, unions are more powerful, and environmental regulations are even stricter?
do spain and france have a crazy environmental review process like the US.
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Old January 7th, 2012, 10:00 AM   #2868
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do spain and france have a crazy environmental review process like the US.
I dunno about those countries, but here in The Netherlands we have the craziest environmental review policies, plus people protesting against the innocent murder of a bit of agricultural land ("nature"), and even we managed to make a tiny little stretch of dedicated 300 km/h high speed rail.

Plus we have strong unions, labor laws, and rampant fraud in the building sector... so that should not be an excuse

Build that stuff already.
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Old January 7th, 2012, 10:32 AM   #2869
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In the US they have "NiMBY"s as well as "NWiMTaM" or Not With My Tax Money where if there is no DIRECT benefit to them they will disagree.

In other words they have individualism in overdrive to the level of selfishism.
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Old January 7th, 2012, 03:04 PM   #2870
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In the US they have "NiMBY"s as well as "NWiMTaM" or Not With My Tax Money where if there is no DIRECT benefit to them they will disagree.

In other words they have individualism in overdrive to the level of selfishism.

Ayn Rand's bones should be dug up and placed in public urinals across the world.
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Old January 7th, 2012, 03:12 PM   #2871
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A huge problem here in the USA for any kind of major public infrastructure construction projects are prevailing wage laws and other union influences that nearly always have an effect of sending costs exploding out of control and that California is a major 'deep-blue' union-entrenched state. Add that to ROW-acquisition, environmental rules, regulations and mitigations, NIMBY, etc, and the 'sky's the limit'....



China, OTOH, does not have to worry about those sorts of things.

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You are right about labor cost, railway construction is fairly labor intense so union wage will make a huge difference. Regarding China, I think besides lower labor cost they also benefit from the construction method and easily accessible material. The economics of scale plays a huge role. A lot of equipment, tools, and parts are sourced locally so it saves both money and time. Most new HSR construction there are 70-80% viaduct, so they built massive strategically placed girder yards and manufacturing them assembly line style. Viaduct translates to smaller construction footprint, less land acquisition cost (a major headache in China right now), no interruption of existing infrastructure, less disruption of local residents and the environment. Actually environmental regulation has slowly become a problem in China too, the Bureau of Environmental Protection halted construction of a HSR line last year because it didn't pass the environmental impact study.
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Old January 7th, 2012, 08:51 PM   #2872
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If HSR were to appear in California, how would the route be fenced off alongside its trunks right through wilderness, e.g., wouldn't wildlife eventually gnaw their way through it?

$90B might sound right (while the Keystone-pipeline estimate pegged at $7B strikes me far too low).
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Old January 7th, 2012, 10:56 PM   #2873
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If HSR were to appear in California, how would the route be fenced off alongside its trunks right through wilderness, e.g., wouldn't wildlife eventually gnaw their way through it?

$90B might sound right (while the Keystone-pipeline estimate pegged at $7B strikes me far too low).
I think that's a red herring, seeing that it's been resolved in many parts of the world: http://maps.google.com/?ll=48.127171...k&z=15&vpsrc=6
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Old January 7th, 2012, 11:49 PM   #2874
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What resolution must you be proposing outta "that"?
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Old January 8th, 2012, 12:53 AM   #2875
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Seen at 1'01" & 1'30", level crossing for pedestrian in a 100MPH zone
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Old January 8th, 2012, 01:03 AM   #2876
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Stronger fence and regular inspections should be able to keep animals at bay. The only permanent solution is to use viaducts but that's probably impractical for CAHSR.
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Old January 8th, 2012, 01:08 AM   #2877
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Is it actually going at 100MPH? The video made it feel slower, probably around 70-80MPH.
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Old January 8th, 2012, 02:38 AM   #2878
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Ugh, what's the deal with all us Anglo-Saxon countries thinking we're "too good" for HSR? The U.S., Australia, Canada, the U.K...what gives? None of the places in the world I could live in without having to learn another language has true high speed service! Makes me wish I'd been born a continental European or something....
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Old January 8th, 2012, 03:12 AM   #2879
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UK kinda has HSR in Eurostar...I dont know if they run faster than 200KmPH in UK.
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Old January 8th, 2012, 03:26 AM   #2880
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Ugh, what's the deal with all us Anglo-Saxon countries thinking we're "too good" for HSR? The U.S., Australia, Canada, the U.K...what gives? None of the places in the world I could live in without having to learn another language has true high speed service! Makes me wish I'd been born a continental European or something....
You can get by fine in The Netherlands with English...

Plus it's the closest national language to English, so it shouldn't be that hard to learn
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