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Old June 1st, 2012, 12:09 AM   #3181
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I really doubt that exact line would be upgraded to 190 MPH. It's incredibly unsafe for high speed rail to be running at full speed next to freight, locals, commuters, etc. They'd probably have to build an entirely new line.
It used to carry speeds up to 170mph , the original NEC had 6 tracks...in places like PA and Urban Jersey this can be re-installed allowing even faster speeds... The current plans do call for New tracks to be installed in Philly , Baltimore , NY , Newark and New England separate from the NEC to allow speeds up to 200mph.
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Old June 1st, 2012, 12:39 PM   #3182
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It used to carry speeds up to 170mph , the original NEC had 6 tracks...in places like PA and Urban Jersey this can be re-installed allowing even faster speeds... The current plans do call for New tracks to be installed in Philly , Baltimore , NY , Newark and New England separate from the NEC to allow speeds up to 200mph.

170 MPH? On the NEC? Am I missing something? When did that ever happen outside of a test run?
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Old June 2nd, 2012, 05:16 AM   #3183
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170 MPH? On the NEC? Am I missing something? When did that ever happen outside of a test run?

A few test runs....and the old NEC went up to 160-170 in spots...it wouldn't be so hard to upgrade the NEC to handle South of NYC to handle up to 220mph you just need to restored the 2 addition tracks and build the bypass lines as called for in the Amtrak plans.
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Old June 2nd, 2012, 06:52 AM   #3184
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I think the dream for real high speed rail in the US is over, I don't think california or the northeast will build it.

Maybe in the far future when the country becomes less stupid.
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Old June 2nd, 2012, 03:00 PM   #3185
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I think the dream for real high speed rail in the US is over, I don't think california or the northeast will build it.

Maybe in the far future when the country becomes less stupid.
I don't think its over the Amtrak plans don't call for any Large construction intill after the 2030s...only smaller Catenary and Tunnel and Bridge replacement which seems to be moving along fine after ties. Theres some loose ends that need to be tied up in the NYC region before the Gateway project moves forward...but they seem to be in agreement for 60% of the funding. The Amtrak plan also calls for Private funding aswell at least for the New NEC...so the dreams aren't over ....i don't think they will be...it will just be slow.... As for California i think that project is dead , its a shame but Cali Empire is starting to collapse....so that's one of the many projects that will go...eventually....and there plan does not allow private in like the Northeast. As for when Private decides to take interest in the NEC and which segments get built first , when the Global economy picks up , then i think you'll see interest and the DC - NYC segment which will be the easiest and cheapest to build will go first.

Its that simple , the only projects you'll see between now and 2030 are Bridge replacements between NY and Boston , Speed Increasing from 90 to 125 in CT : 135 to 160/170mph in NJ : 85 to 110/125mph in NYC/NY : 135 to 160/170mph in PA along NEC , 90 to 125mph along Keystone , Catenary Replacements in CT , NJ , PA , and NY , the Gateway Project , 70-100 New Locos to replace existing locos that run on the NEC and feeder lines , Straightening in NJ and CT , Newer Signal Tech , Grade Separation of Railway JCTs in PA , NJ , NY and CT and More Train Capacity added....and 200-400 New Rail cars...along with station restorations to allow 20+ car trains...60% of that is funded.... that's enough to keep me happy....then again alot of those projects allow for faster Regional Rail restorations / Expansions rather then HSR except the Catenary replacements and Gateway projects which lay down the Path for HSR in the future.... The Grade Separations and New Interchanges allow for Amtrak glide faster and without dealing with slower trains.... The Feeder lines are being prepped or rebuilt as we speak to 110/125mph....not all the projects are funded by the feds and are Amtrak projects , the Bridge replacements and Catenary replacements , along signals are being done by the states...at there own pace , but also not disturb the line....so its slow going...

I would say out of the 120 Billion Amtrak Master plan for the NE , they added in all the feeder and branch upgrades from the Various states....so were talking at least 30 Billion in state projects...45 Billion to upgrade the NEC and the rest for the New line....some like I said will be private....
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Old June 2nd, 2012, 08:13 PM   #3186
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Deflecting blame and playing conspiracies, the past time of socialized transport activists since 1920...
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The only conspiracy theory is your pathetic denial of what actually happened in the U.S. You don't even live here, what the hell would you know?

Automobile transport is massively socialized in the U.S.- trillions have been spent on unprofitable non revenue generating roads and massive amounts of land have been consumed not only for their construction but the construction of all the ancillary businesses that cater to the automobile- gas stations, service shops, and dealerships. Heck, on many roads that is the only type of business one sees along them.

And of course there are the disastrous environmental effects of auto centrism that come in the form of air pollution and loss of arable land.
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I don't think its over the Amtrak plans don't call for any Large construction intill after the 2030s...only smaller Catenary and Tunnel and Bridge replacement which seems to be moving along fine after ties. Theres some loose ends that need to be tied up in the NYC region before the Gateway project moves forward...but they seem to be in agreement for 60% of the funding. The Amtrak plan also calls for Private funding aswell at least for the New NEC...so the dreams aren't over ....i don't think they will be...it will just be slow.... As for California i think that project is dead , its a shame but Cali Empire is starting to collapse....so that's one of the many projects that will go...eventually....and there plan does not allow private in like the Northeast. As for when Private decides to take interest in the NEC and which segments get built first , when the Global economy picks up , then i think you'll see interest and the DC - NYC segment which will be the easiest and cheapest to build will go first.

Its that simple , the only projects you'll see between now and 2030 are Bridge replacements between NY and Boston , Speed Increasing from 90 to 125 in CT : 135 to 160/170mph in NJ : 85 to 110/125mph in NYC/NY : 135 to 160/170mph in PA along NEC , 90 to 125mph along Keystone , Catenary Replacements in CT , NJ , PA , and NY , the Gateway Project , 70-100 New Locos to replace existing locos that run on the NEC and feeder lines , Straightening in NJ and CT , Newer Signal Tech , Grade Separation of Railway JCTs in PA , NJ , NY and CT and More Train Capacity added....and 200-400 New Rail cars...along with station restorations to allow 20+ car trains...60% of that is funded.... that's enough to keep me happy....then again alot of those projects allow for faster Regional Rail restorations / Expansions rather then HSR except the Catenary replacements and Gateway projects which lay down the Path for HSR in the future.... The Grade Separations and New Interchanges allow for Amtrak glide faster and without dealing with slower trains.... The Feeder lines are being prepped or rebuilt as we speak to 110/125mph....not all the projects are funded by the feds and are Amtrak projects , the Bridge replacements and Catenary replacements , along signals are being done by the states...at there own pace , but also not disturb the line....so its slow going...

I would say out of the 120 Billion Amtrak Master plan for the NE , they added in all the feeder and branch upgrades from the Various states....so were talking at least 30 Billion in state projects...45 Billion to upgrade the NEC and the rest for the New line....some like I said will be private....

I hope they come up with a new plan for Cali someday. America is terrible, it's so sad it can't catch up with the rest of the world.
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Old June 3rd, 2012, 02:56 AM   #3188
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WHEN WILL HSR IN USA BE BUILT. COME ON EVERY HAS IT ACCEPT USA. I WANT IT IN THE U.S.
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Old June 3rd, 2012, 09:05 AM   #3189
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aren't you from sweden?

anyway, clearly not for some time, and no not every other country has it, but a lot do, and the US should.
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Old June 3rd, 2012, 11:25 AM   #3190
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I think the dream for real high speed rail in the US is over, I don't think california or the northeast will build it.

Maybe in the far future when the country becomes less stupid.
It seems like when we're all dead the U.S. will get it's shit together on non-fossil fuel powered, efficient, fast, practical public transportation.

2090 everything will be in place.
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So Apparently the New Acelas can go up to 186mph.....
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So Apparently the New Acelas can go up to 186mph.....
New Acelas?
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Yes the ordered New Cars for the Acelas , and New 4 New Acelas...., along with New Northeast Regional cars and locos...similar to the Eurosprinter.
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Yes the ordered New Cars for the Acelas , and New 4 New Acelas...., along with New Northeast Regional cars and locos...similar to the Eurosprinter.
I have not seen news for this. We shall see in the future if it is true. But yes, there are plans for such a purchase.
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I have not seen news for this. We shall see in the future if it is true. But yes, there are plans for such a purchase.
Thats are under Construction as we speak and will be delivered next year with the New Cars....the New Acelas i'm not sure....although the extra cars should come next year...
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Thats are under Construction as we speak and will be delivered next year with the New Cars....the New Acelas i'm not sure....although the extra cars should come next year...
Yea, I know about the ACS-64s, the new viewliners, and the existing acela insertion cars. But they have not yet ordered brand new acela-II trainsets yet. Those are a few years off.
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oh well, who's next??

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New Acelas are nice, but the Northeast has never really had much a problem with rail travel, it's the rest of the country where trains are seldom used.

We need high speed rail around America, and I feel like it's not gonna happen in the near future.
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New Acelas are nice, but the Northeast has never really had much a problem with rail travel, it's the rest of the country where trains are seldom used.

We need high speed rail around America, and I feel like it's not gonna happen in the near future.
The problem is, trains are most efficient in densely populated areas, so building an entire HSR ring across such sparsely populated (in overall terms) country sa USA is a mad idea. It's better to start building isolated systems in densily populated areas (like North-East, California, Great lakes area, etc) and after succes of such systems it would be much easier to plan connection of such systems (if it can be feasible, some systems, like californian one will be isolated anyway...).

That's how it works - you fist do simple solutions, and once you succeeded - you go for a complex and expensive one.
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Even if built, I agree that the HSR's impact would be marginal in the short run--but it is required if America's transportation grid is to survive in the next few decades. It took around 30-40 years for the Interstate Highway system to reach peak usage (the city planning had to evolve to allow it to maximize efficiency), and I don't see how HSR's impact would be different. This is one of the core reasons why Americans feel that high speed rail is irrelevant--because in America's infrastructure today is undeniably incompatible with dense transportation hubs that characterize train stations.

However, just as the Interstate was able to transform America with urban sprawl, high speed rail can also reverse it. Just don't expect that change to be instantaneous.
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