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Old June 23rd, 2012, 09:44 PM   #3321
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To make a proper comparison we must separate the infrastructure from the vehicles.
Very well. Let's tear up ALL the highways and roads and see how cars perform. (Hint: Unless you're driving a gas-guzzling off-road vehicle, it's not going to be pretty.)

The thing is, vehicles ARE tied to infrastructure. Nowhere in other parts of the world are cars so universally endorsed as the USA. In Taiwan, while there is good road infrastructure, it's impossible to cram all 20 million who live on the island onto them. I just don't see how a country of 300 million with a deficit of $16 trillion upwards could afford to do the same.
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Old June 24th, 2012, 04:34 AM   #3322
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Keystone Service
New York Penn Station < Connections to 1,2,3 & A,C,E Subways , LIRR Amtrak, and NJT >
Newark Penn Station < Connections to Amtrak Services ,PATH , Taxis , Intercity Buses , Newark Light Rail , NJT Raritan Valley line , North Jersey Coast line and Northeast Corridor : Future , MOM Rail Network , West Trenton line and Western Jersey Rail Network >
Metropark < Connections to NJT Northeast Corridor , Bus and Taxis service >
New Brunswick (Late Night) < Connections to NJT Northeast Corridor , Bus and Taxis service >
Princeton JCT (Late Night)< Connections to NJT Northeast Corridor , Bus and Taxis service >
Trenton Transit Center < Connections to Amtrak Services , RiverLINE Light Rail ,NJT Northeast Corridor , Taxis and Buses >
Cornwall Heights < Connections to Septa Trenton line >
North Philadelphia < Connections to Septa Broad Street Subway , Chestnut Hill West line and Trenton line>
Philadelphia 30th Street Station < Connections to all Septa Regional Rail & Amtrak, Market-Frankford EL , Trolleys (Trams) , Bus and Taxis service >
Proposed : West Philadelphia < Connections to Septa Thorndale line , 36 Trolley (Tram) and Buses >
Ardmore < Connections to Septa Thorndale line and Bus Service
Paoli < Connections to Septa Thorndale line and Bus service , Future : Greenline Light Rail >
Exton < Connections to Septa Thorndale line and Septa Bus Service >
Downingtown < Connections to Septa Thorndale line and Local Bus Service >
Coatesville < Connections to Future , Septa Parkersburg / Thorndale line >
Parkersburg < Connections to Future , Septa Parkersburg / Thorndale line>
Proposed : Atglen Station
Lancaster < Connections to Red Rose Transit and Taxis , Future : Lancaster Streetcar network , Corridor One Commuter Rail >
Mount Joy < Connections to Red Rose Transit : Future , Corridor One Commuter Rail >
Elizabethtown < Connections to Red Rose Transit : Future , Corridor One Commuter Rail >
Middletown < Connections to CAT Buses , Future : Corridor One Commuter Rail)
Harrisburg < Connections to Amtrak Pennsyviana , CAT Transit , and Taxis , Future : Harrisburg Streetcar , Corridor One Commuter Rail , York & Carlisle Commuter Rail lines , Amtrak Lehigh and Northwest Service >


Lehigh Service
Hoboken Terminal < Connections to NJT Regional Rail , Hudson Bergen Light Rail , PATH and Ferries >
Newark Penn Station < Connections to Amtrak Services ,PATH , Taxis , Intercity Buses , Newark Light Rail , NJT Raritan Valley line , North Jersey Coast line and Northeast Corridor : Future , MOM Rail Network , West Trenton line and Western Jersey Rail Network >
Proposed : Easton < Connections to LANTA Buses >
Proposed : Bethlehem < Connections to LANTA Buses >
Proposed : Allentown < Connections to LANTA Buses , Future : Allentown BRT and LRT network >
Proposed : Emmaus
Proposed : Macungie
Proposed : Lyons-Kutztown University
Proposed : Reading < Connections to BARTA Buses , Future : Septa Reading line and Reading Streetcar network >
West Wyomissing < Connections to BARTA Buses , Future : Septa Reading line and Reading Streetcar network >
Proposed : Lebanon
Proposed : Hershey < Connections to Hershey Transit >
Harrisburg < Connections to Amtrak Pennsyviana , Keystone , CAT Transit , and Taxis , Future : Harrisburg Streetcar , Corridor One Commuter Rail , York & Carlisle Commuter Rail lines , Amtrak Northwest Service >


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New York Penn Station < Connections to 1,2,3 & A,C,E Subways , LIRR Amtrak, and NJT Regional Rail >
Newark Broad Street < Connections to Morris & Essex Rail Network , NJT Bus , Newark Light Rail and Taxis Service
Dover < Connections to Morris & Essex Rail Network and NJT Buses >
Proposed : East Stroudsburg < Connections to Morris & Essex Rail Network >
Proposed : Analomink
Proposed : Pocono Mountain
Proposed : Tobyhanna
Proposed : Scranton < Connections to Colts buses , Future : Wyoming Valley LRT and BRT >
Proposed : Clarks Summit
Proposed : Binghamton < Connections to Broome County Transit , Future : Binghamton BRT >
Proposed : Endicott


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Old June 24th, 2012, 06:31 AM   #3323
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If you're going to go up to binghampton, you might as well connect to Saracuse.
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Old June 24th, 2012, 07:36 AM   #3324
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If you're going to go up to binghampton, you might as well connect to Saracuse.
The Amtrak plans don't seem to call for that...and NY doesn't have statewide plan like neighboring states just regional plans.
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Old June 24th, 2012, 07:57 AM   #3325
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Thats minor , CT is doing and so is PA for around 80-100 Million $... that's feasible...

You're wrong about Elizabeth, int not just about money. To straighten out that curve you'd impact the county jail, the new parking garage and a new county college building. You would also have to close and de-map a city street, bringing the ROW within 20 feet of people's front yards. No way would it fly politically.

And all this other stuff that you posted, in theory it sounds great, but no funding has been set aside for any of it. Just because they are in Amtrak's long range plan doesn't mean they're gonna happen. Given the anti-rail climate in Washington these days, these proposals are a very long way off, if ever.

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Old June 24th, 2012, 08:01 AM   #3326
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To make a proper comparison we must separate the infrastructure from the vehicles.
Wrong. They are all one system. One doesn't work without the other.
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Old June 24th, 2012, 08:55 AM   #3327
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You're wrong about Elizabeth, int not just about money. To straighten out that curve you'd impact the county jail, the new parking garage and a new county college building. You would also have to close and de-map a city street, bringing the ROW within 20 feet of people's front yards. No way would it fly politically.

And all this other stuff that you posted, in theory it sounds great, but no funding has been set aside for any of it. Just because they are in Amtrak's long range plan doesn't mean they're gonna happen. Given the anti-rail climate in Washington these days, these proposals are a very long way off, if ever.
Hmm...it looks pretty easy. I could be wrong but the County College was told be Amtrak that they needed that space down the road and they built it anyway...so if that's true then taking the land and paying less to the College would be easy. As for adding a track along the Straight section its not that hard , you could narrow the streets and build a new track. Of Course adding Tracks is and Straightening is easy compared to the complexity of rebuilding the Elizabeth station..

As for the Proposals , the Lackawanna line has suddenly awaken from its Sleep , the New Haven - Springfield - Brattleboro is Under Construction , Downeaster Extension is Under Construction... As for the Anti-Rail in DC Crowd...it never really affects the Northeast. Even under the Bush years we still got alot of projects done...about 35 Billion $ worth... It looked back through the years and under republican power , the Northeast gets more and under Democrat power it gets less. Its usually spread more evenly throughout the US... And seeing how projects like the Lackawanna suddenly awaken during the end of the bush era...it gives me hope. During the Bush Era alot of smaller projects below 400 Million like listed on the Previous Page were built... As for most of these projects while it looks gloomy now i have a funny feeling that the 2020s will be the next Rail Boom in this country.
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Old June 24th, 2012, 12:39 PM   #3328
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It looked back through the years and under republican power , the Northeast gets more and under Democrat power it gets less. Its usually spread more evenly throughout the US... And seeing how projects like the Lackawanna suddenly awaken during the end of the bush era...it gives me hope. During the Bush Era alot of smaller projects below 400 Million like listed on the Prev Page were built...
Indeed, but you have to take into account that the Republican Party has 2 very different groups of thinking that in most countries would be in separate parties:

1> Traditional Conservatives -> Socially conservative and in favor of a reasonable amount of government sponsored projects in all areas (rail included). Examples: Mike Huckabee, Bush, etc
2> Libertarians -> Opposed to government expending on anything except defence and highways. Examples: Scott Walker, Rick Scott, etc

While you can say that rail fares well under a government of the group #1, just like it fares very well under any conservative government in Europe, I would not be so sure about group #2. I wonder which group will have more influence under a Mitt Romney government
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Old June 24th, 2012, 02:30 PM   #3329
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New England & Hudson Valley Network

Lower Empire Service
New York Penn Station < Connections to 1,2,3 & A,C,E Subways , Long Island Railroad , Amtrak , Taxis, and NJT Regional Rail , Future : Metro North >
Yonkers < Connections to MNRR Hudson line , Taxis ,Beeline Bus service , and Ferry Service , Future : Yonker Streetcar system >
Croton - Harmon < Connections to MNRR Hudson line , Beeline Buses and Amtrak services >
Poughkeepsie < Connections to MNRR Hudson line ,Taxis , Amtrak services & Ulster County Buses >
Rhinecliff-Kingston
Hudson
Albany–Rensselaer < Connections to CDTA Buses , Taxis , Megabus and Amtrak Services , Future : Albany BRT Network >
Schenectady

New Haven - Springfield - Brattleboro Corridor
New Haven Union Station < Connections to MNRR New Haven line , Shore line East , Amtrak Services , CT Transit Buses , and Taxis ,Future : New Haven Streetcars &
Knowledge Corridor Commuter Rail
Wallingford < Connections to CT Transit Buses Future : Knowledge Corridor Commuter Rail>
Meridan < Connections to CT Transit Buses and Middletown Buses , Future : Knowledge Corridor Commuter Rail>
Berlin < Connections to Future : Knowledge Corridor Commuter Rail >
Hartford Union Station < Connections to Amtrak Services , CT Transit Buses , and Taxis , Future : Next Gen High Speed Rail , Knowledge Corridor Commuter Rail ,
New Britian - Hartford Busway
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Windsor < Connections to CT Transit Buses , Future :Knowledge Corridor Commuter Rail >
Windsor Locks < Connections to ,Future : Knowledge Corridor Commuter Rail >
Springfield Union Station < Connections to Amtrak Services , Taxis, PVTA Buses , Future : Knowledge Corridor Commuter Rail , Springfield Interurban network and Cross New England Rail line >
Proposed : Holyoke
Proposed : Northampton
Proposed : Greenfield < Connections to , Future : MBTA Greenfield / Fitchburg line
Brattleboro

Cross England line
Boston South Station < Connections to MBTA Regional Rail , Red line , Silver Line , Taxis and Buses , Greyhound , Megabus and Amtrak services , Future : Next Gen High Speed Rail>
Boston Back Bay Station < Connections to MBTA Regional Rail , Orange line and Buses,Taxis , Amtrak services , Future : Next Gen High Speed Rail>
Framingham < Connections to MWRTA Buses & MBTA Worcester line >
Worcester Union Station < Connections to MBTA Worcester line ,Taxis, WRTA Buses , Greyhound Buses , Peter Pan Buses , Future : Next Gen High Speed Rail >
Springfield < Connections to Amtrak Services , PVTA Buses , Future : Knowledge Corridor Commuter Rail , & Springfield Interurban network>
Pittsfield < Connections to BRTA Buses , Peterpan Buses , Future : Pittsfield line >
Albany–Rensselaer < Connections to CDTA Buses , Megabus and Amtrak Services , Future : Albany Metro BRT Network >

Downeaster
Boston North Station < Connections to MBTA Regional Rail , Green line , Orange line , and Buses / Taxis
Woburn < Connections to MBTA Lowell line >
Haverhill < Connections to MBTA Haverhill line & MRVTA Buses>
Exeter
Durham - University of New Hampshire < Connections to Wildcat Transit, Taxis and UNH Shuttle >
Dover
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Indeed, but you have to take into account that the Republican Party has 2 very different groups of thinking that in most countries would be in separate parties:

1> Traditional Conservatives -> Socially conservative and in favor of a reasonable amount of government sponsored projects in all areas (rail included). Examples: Mike Huckabee, Bush, etc
2> Libertarians -> Opposed to government expending on anything except defence and highways. Examples: Scott Walker, Rick Scott, etc

While you can say that rail fares well under a government of the group #1, just like it fares very well under any conservative government in Europe, I would not be so sure about group #2. I wonder which group will have more influence under a Mitt Romney government
Hmmm , Romney flip flops so who knows.... Hopefully he'll pump more into the Northeast , of course that means he'll starve everyone else...
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Bit late, but thanks for the answer on the previous page Nexis.
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Old June 25th, 2012, 05:57 AM   #3332
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This is a quick video of an Amtrak trip I took recently.

110mph running, not quite high speed, but pretty close.

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Old June 25th, 2012, 08:38 AM   #3333
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Philadelphia 30th Street Station < Connections to all Septa Regional Rail & Amtrak, Market-Frankford EL , Trolleys (Trams) , Bus and Taxis service >
Wilmington < Connections to Septa Newark / Wilmington line Dart First state Buses , Thurway Motorcoach , Future : Wilmington Streetcar network >
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Proposed : Middletown
Proposed : Clayton
Proposed : Dover < Connections to Dart First State Kent & Greyhound lines >
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Proposed : Georgetown
Proposed : Ocean City < Connections to Ocean City Transit >

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Old June 25th, 2012, 04:28 PM   #3334
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This is a quick video of an Amtrak trip I took recently.

110mph running, not quite high speed, but pretty close.
Great video! Thanks for sharing! I'll have to go up to Michigan one day and check them out. Do you know if in general they manage to stick to the timetables?
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Hmm...it looks pretty easy. I could be wrong but the County College was told be Amtrak that they needed that space down the road and they built it anyway...so if that's true then taking the land and paying less to the College would be easy. As for adding a track along the Straight section its not that hard , you could narrow the streets and build a new track. Of Course adding Tracks is and Straightening is easy compared to the complexity of rebuilding the Elizabeth station..

As for the Proposals , the Lackawanna line has suddenly awaken from its Sleep , the New Haven - Springfield - Brattleboro is Under Construction , Downeaster Extension is Under Construction... As for the Anti-Rail in DC Crowd...it never really affects the Northeast. Even under the Bush years we still got alot of projects done...about 35 Billion $ worth... It looked back through the years and under republican power , the Northeast gets more and under Democrat power it gets less. Its usually spread more evenly throughout the US... And seeing how projects like the Lackawanna suddenly awaken during the end of the bush era...it gives me hope. During the Bush Era alot of smaller projects below 400 Million like listed on the Previous Page were built... As for most of these projects while it looks gloomy now i have a funny feeling that the 2020s will be the next Rail Boom in this country.

Nothing is as easy as it seems. I'm not sure about the college being told anything. Amtrak would have had to file a Right-of-Way Preservation Map (I'm not even sure they can do that, only NJDOT can I think). You're right, adding a track isn't that difficult from an engineering standpoint, but you can't operate in a vacuum. Like it or not, politics plays a big role in everything, so narrowing those streets might no be that easy. And then there's the county jail....


As for you being hopeful, I'm hopeful too.....

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Hmmm , Romney flip flops so who knows.... Hopefully he'll pump more into the Northeast , of course that means he'll starve everyone else...
Let's see him beat Obama first :P
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Great video! Thanks for sharing! I'll have to go up to Michigan one day and check them out. Do you know if in general they manage to stick to the timetables?
This is my first time riding the whole line all the way to Pontiac, so I don't know if they stay on time all the time or not. I know their have been 30 minute or 1 hour delays due to track work recently.

In my experience, the ride into Chicago starts out on time, but as you enter the Chicagoland area, you creep along at 10 miles an hour for 5-10 miles making you arrive late. In this case, we arrived 1/2 hour late.
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Old July 2nd, 2012, 11:53 PM   #3339
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Updated 07:08 a.m., Monday, July 2, 2012

When California's high-speed rail plan comes up for the big vote this week in Sacramento, there will be a lot more at stake for the Bay Area than just bullet trains to Los Angeles.

In a move some see as an attempt to round up badly needed "yes" votes for the project, Gov. Jerry Brown and state Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg, D-Sacramento, are insisting on an "all or nothing" vote on both the $68 billion rail line and millions of dollars for local "connectivity" projects.

In the Bay Area, those connections include:

-- $140 million for new BART cars.

-- $105 million to modernize Caltrain.

-- $61 million for San Francisco's Central Subway.

-- $46.5 million to improve the tracks on the Capital Corridor commute line between Oakland and San Jose.

High-speed rail needs 21 votes in the state Senate to get the green light to start spending voter-approved bonds in a major way.

So far, however, insiders say it's falling short by at least six votes . . . .
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/matier...ey-3677809.php
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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/cali...peed-rail.html The State Senate has approved funding for high-speed rail.
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