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Old July 12th, 2012, 04:35 PM   #3381
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The region only has 57 Million and will have like 78 Million by 2040....and 40 HST , there will be close to 120 Intercity sets...
That is still not a lot. Not if you compare with other railway networks that serve a comparable area.
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Old July 12th, 2012, 07:31 PM   #3382
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That is still not a lot. Not if you compare with other railway networks that serve a comparable area.
Other railway networks that serve a comparable area are much more developed than Amtrak used trackage. Not to mention they receive much higher passenger flow than Amtrak intercity trains, thus warranting the numerous additional trainsets. Despite the population numbers in the area, if projections of passenger usage and revenue are not high enough to warrant the initial purchase of more than 40 trainsets, then why do it? I'm sure once this is completed, and passenger revenues start to rise, then Amtrak will consider expanding the HSR/intercity fleet. But that's not for another half century.

America is NOT Europe. Our country is still heavily invested and founded upon road travel. So there's no point comparing stuff like this until America catches up in terms of rail infrastructure and passenger interest and patronage.
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Old July 12th, 2012, 08:09 PM   #3383
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America is NOT Europe. Our country is still heavily invested and founded upon road travel. So there's no point comparing stuff like this until America catches up in terms of rail infrastructure and passenger interest and patronage.


Excellent point.
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Old July 13th, 2012, 06:55 AM   #3384
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America is NOT Europe. Our country is still heavily invested and founded upon road travel. So there's no point comparing stuff like this until America catches up in terms of rail infrastructure and passenger interest and patronage.
America is about efficient capital. The minute it becomes cost effective to spend hundreds of billions, if not trillions on HSR, it will get done and get done quickly. And probably more by private companies that can sell debt in the global markets than by governments which lack public support for their spending programs. For now, the cost-benefit analysis works for the NE Corridor and maybe California. Other areas are reaching that point but we're in no rush to build because we don't have the funds available and more importantly, we don't have unanimous agreement that HSR is desperately needed. But that day is coming.
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Old July 13th, 2012, 08:59 AM   #3385
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America is about efficient capital. The minute it becomes cost effective to spend hundreds of billions, if not trillions on HSR, it will get done and get done quickly. And probably more by private companies that can sell debt in the global markets than by governments which lack public support for their spending programs. For now, the cost-benefit analysis works for the NE Corridor and maybe California. Other areas are reaching that point but we're in no rush to build because we don't have the funds available and more importantly, we don't have unanimous agreement that HSR is desperately needed. But that day is coming.
Well said. As soon as those hard core conservative nuts realize that we can't continue to rely on fossil fuels and destroy the environment in the name of cost effectiveness and big business, then things will begin to change. But until then, don't expect anything revolutionary.
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Old July 13th, 2012, 09:08 AM   #3386
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The first thing needs the Feds needs to do is to remove the unnecessary safety and crash requirements on trains.
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Old July 13th, 2012, 09:50 AM   #3387
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Old July 13th, 2012, 09:59 AM   #3388
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That is still not a lot. Not if you compare with other railway networks that serve a comparable area.
Given that American passenger train service and infrastructure development has more or less stood still since the nineteen sixties (or perhaps even earlier), the figures given seem realistic. Being fifty years behind the rest of the developed world makes it so.
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Old July 13th, 2012, 03:14 PM   #3389
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America is about efficient capital. The minute it becomes cost effective to spend hundreds of billions, if not trillions on HSR, it will get done and get done quickly. And probably more by private companies that can sell debt in the global markets than by governments which lack public support for their spending programs. For now, the cost-benefit analysis works for the NE Corridor and maybe California. Other areas are reaching that point but we're in no rush to build because we don't have the funds available and more importantly, we don't have unanimous agreement that HSR is desperately needed. But that day is coming.
I agree totally.
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Old July 13th, 2012, 08:41 PM   #3390
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The first thing needs the Feds needs to do is to remove the unnecessary safety and crash requirements on trains.
With the recent accidents involving trains being demolished and stuff, don't expect that to happen either.
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Old July 14th, 2012, 01:02 AM   #3391
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Do you just show up here to troll? Be careful how you answer that question.
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Old July 14th, 2012, 08:56 PM   #3392
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Responding to a question isn't the same as answering one ... I happen to wholly agree with gramercy's comment
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Old July 14th, 2012, 11:24 PM   #3393
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Responding to a question isn't the same as answering one ... I happen to wholly agree with gramercy's comment
As do I.

But we're getting OT.
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Old July 15th, 2012, 10:59 PM   #3394
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Rerail! the deviation was all its
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Old July 26th, 2012, 07:17 PM   #3395
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Old July 26th, 2012, 09:41 PM   #3396
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That's a nice station...I'd like to see more of the others (LA's for instance)
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Old July 27th, 2012, 05:41 PM   #3397
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Old July 27th, 2012, 06:28 PM   #3398
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That's a nice station...I'd like to see more of the others (LA's for instance)
They don't even have plans drafted for that one yet. Might have to wait another decade or so for that.
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Old July 27th, 2012, 10:53 PM   #3399
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They don't even have plans drafted for that one yet. Might have to wait another decade or so for that.
What!? lol...they're the only ones moving ahead (so far).
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Old July 27th, 2012, 11:11 PM   #3400
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Well they were shifting through different proposals...for LA union Station.
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