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View Poll Results: Should the US build or improve it's HSR network?
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Old September 21st, 2012, 01:24 AM   #3601
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The political climate will indeed have to change for things to change. The republican party has essentially moved into a mental asylum while the democratic party has become the republican party of the 70s and 80s: somewhat sane but mostly corrupt.
Amen to that brother....
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Old September 21st, 2012, 10:04 AM   #3602
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I didn't say HSR shouldn't be built because private money alone can't do it! I actually support government involvement in building tracks and stations (but not operating trains directly) like I support government building highways or airports (but not operating buses or airplanes directly).

What I said was that the current political climate in US is just an anti-tax hysteria. A hysteria that was absent when most highway construction took place in the 1940s-1970s for instance.
For once, Suburbanist, we are in agreement.
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Old September 21st, 2012, 05:57 PM   #3603
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That's a crock o' shit. Back in the day, big business was paying its taxes, as in pulling their own weight ... that fella's simply all about corporate welfare (cheques)
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 04:16 PM   #3604
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I didn't say HSR shouldn't be built because private money alone can't do it! I actually support government involvement in building tracks and stations (but not operating trains directly) like I support government building highways or airports (but not operating buses or airplanes directly).

What I said was that the current political climate in US is just an anti-tax hysteria. A hysteria that was absent when most highway construction took place in the 1940s-1970s for instance.
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For once, Suburbanist, we are in agreement.
Me too. What the hell just happened!?
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 08:22 PM   #3605
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I didn't say HSR shouldn't be built because private money alone can't do it! I actually support government involvement in building tracks and stations (but not operating trains directly) like I support government building highways or airports (but not operating buses or airplanes directly).
Agreed. In fact, I'd support a move to go 'all in' on that with the freight rails, too. Have them operate like the trucking companies can, unencumbered by their current infrastructure ownership limitations.

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What I said was that the current political climate in US is just an anti-tax hysteria. A hysteria that was absent when most highway construction took place in the 1940s-1970s for instance.
A huge factor here, IMHO, is that today, a far more substantial portion of pvblic treasure is going into places where the public can see no positive return on their 'investment' than back then. Right now, the DoD budget is less than half of the current federal deficit. Where is all of that money going?

When those 'budget hole' questions start being answered, addressed and brought back under control, perhaps there will then be some money available for these and other truly needful infrastructure repairs and upgrades.



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Old September 25th, 2012, 03:58 AM   #3606
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New Jersey - Amtrak To Run Test Trains At 165 Mph In Northeast



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New Jersey - Amtrak is going to break the speed limit this week in the Northeast Corridor.

The rail service announced Monday it will operate test trains overnight at 165 mph in four stretches from Maryland to Massachusetts.

Acela Express equipment will be used for the tests, which were to start at about 10:30 p.m. Monday in New Jersey.

All the locations may one day have regular 160 mph service. Amtrak said tests need to be performed at 5 mph above what is expected to be a maximum operating speed of 160 mph.

Two test locations - from Perryville, Md., to Wilmington, Del., and from Trenton to New Brunswick, N.J. - currently have a speed limit of 135 mph. The two others - in Rhode Island from Westerly to Cranston and in Massachusetts from South Attleboro to Readville - currently have 150 mph limits.

The same areas, totaling just over 100 miles, were used for high-speed tests before the introduction of Acela service.

Amtrak spokesman Cliff Cole said the tests, employing nine-car trains and continuing into next week, will not affect normal rail operations because they are scheduled at a time of minimal rail service.

In New Jersey, track, electric power, signal systems and overhead catenary wires are to be upgraded over the next several years to improve system reliability and to permit regular train operations at faster speeds, as part of a $450 million project funded by the federal high-speed rail program.
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Old September 25th, 2012, 04:02 AM   #3607
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The political climate will indeed have to change for things to change. The republican party has essentially moved into a mental asylum while the democratic party has become the republican party of the 70s and 80s: somewhat sane but mostly corrupt.
Keep your ******* politics out of this thread!
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Old September 25th, 2012, 05:54 AM   #3608
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Keep your ******* politics out of this thread!
Normally I would agree, but it's a fact that rail (or lack thereof) and politics are ridiculously intertwined in the US. It can't be left out of the conversation when asking questions about future rail development.
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Old September 25th, 2012, 05:58 AM   #3609
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Normally I would agree, but it's a fact that rail (or lack thereof) and politics are ridiculously intertwined in the US. It can't be left out of the conversation when asking questions about future rail development.
Do tell me just what in the two posts I quoted directly deals with HSR?
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Old September 25th, 2012, 07:25 AM   #3610
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Keep your ******* politics out of this thread!
That's kind of difficult when the government wants to be so involved.
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Old September 25th, 2012, 08:43 AM   #3611
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That's kind of difficult when the government wants to be so involved.
If people want to discuss on-topic political issues regarding HSR (most of which are state and local, btw), that's fine. If they just want to throw out stupid partisan talking points and non sequiturs, they can **** off.
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Old September 25th, 2012, 02:32 PM   #3612
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Amtrak Acela 165-170MPH Test Train at Princeton JCT


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Old September 25th, 2012, 02:38 PM   #3613
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Amtrak Acela 165-170MPH Test Train at Princeton JCT


Much, much, much better. Now for the route upgrades so this can happen along the whole line...
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Old September 26th, 2012, 02:26 AM   #3614
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Old September 26th, 2012, 02:33 PM   #3615
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Do tell me just what in the two posts I quoted directly deals with HSR?
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"The political climate will indeed have to change for things to change."
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Old September 27th, 2012, 03:40 AM   #3616
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Finally the Acela is acting like a real HSR train.
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Old September 27th, 2012, 05:28 PM   #3617
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If people want to discuss on-topic political issues regarding HSR (most of which are state and local, btw), that's fine. If they just want to throw out stupid partisan talking points and non sequiturs, they can **** off.
You know, typing that word does NOT enhance your arguement or make you look any more intelligent. I for one would appreciate it if the cursing would stop.

HRS in the US is unfortunately 100% politics right now. The only way it will ever be built is through Government investment, that makes it political.
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Old September 28th, 2012, 04:30 AM   #3618
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You know, typing that word does NOT enhance your arguement or make you look any more intelligent. I for one would appreciate it if the cursing would stop.

HRS in the US is unfortunately 100% politics right now. The only way it will ever be built is through Government investment, that makes it political.
It's like he owns the thread right? Make me laugh. The fellow clearly doesn't understand the concept of the word "public". Just ignore the troll.
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Old September 28th, 2012, 04:57 AM   #3619
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He may be brash, flippant, yet I can understand his being fed up with seeing flaunted private interests here snuffing what ought to be strictly a matter of public policy.
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Old September 28th, 2012, 06:08 AM   #3620
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Finally the Acela is acting like a real HSR train.
Is Amtrak/Acela sharing same tracks with NJ transit or other metro, intercity rail systems? If there is no dedicated tracks for HSR-like Acela, I imagine that it will be extremely difficult to manage HSR and low speed metro/intercity trains on same tracks.
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