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Old October 29th, 2012, 12:44 PM   #3661
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Operators do not want interoperability since it costs them too much.
Here is the reason why. An operator owning a limited number of HST would want to maximize usage of his limited HST fleet so they would want it to be on the fast lane as much as possible to carry more passengers within a given time frame. Therefore the operator would not want to send his shiny new HST fleet down a slow track that can only carry a reduced amount of passenger within the same time frame as a fast lane plus if you send it down the slow lane it may also get caught in traffic bogged down by freight losing more potential passengers.
On top 2~5% of the fleet will be in maintenance at any given moment and HST would have an 20~30% premium on it's price tag compared to a conventional train. So interoperability is meaningless even if such function exists since the operator would not send it down a slow lane in the first place due to economy.
Most operators of high speed trains do run them on slow lines too. Because, contrary to what you assert, it actually allows them to make more money...
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Old October 29th, 2012, 04:39 PM   #3662
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Most operators of high speed trains do run them on slow lines too. Because, contrary to what you assert, it actually allows them to make more money...
That is a political issue in which a big wig promises their constituents that high speed rail will come to their station if they vote for them.
Populism at it's worst.
The big wig politician holds the cards to approve or reject of a new line so the operators have no other way then to comply but at the end it drains profitability constraining them to subsidies making them vulnerable to conforming to more demands by the big wigs creating a vicious cycle.
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Old October 29th, 2012, 06:00 PM   #3663
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That is a political issue in which a big wig promises their constituents that high speed rail will come to their station if they vote for them.
Populism at it's worst.
The big wig politician holds the cards to approve or reject of a new line so the operators have no other way then to comply but at the end it drains profitability constraining them to subsidies making them vulnerable to conforming to more demands by the big wigs creating a vicious cycle.
It doesn't explain why Germany and China runs ICE and CRH2 trainsets on conventional lines.
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Old October 29th, 2012, 06:15 PM   #3664
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It doesn't explain why Germany and China runs ICE and CRH2 trainsets on conventional lines.
As does France and Turkey
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Old October 29th, 2012, 09:18 PM   #3665
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Speaking about Populism..


Obama promised a lot of infrastructures to revive the american economy,
but nothing happened, congratulations.
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Old October 29th, 2012, 09:31 PM   #3666
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That is a political issue in which a big wig promises their constituents that high speed rail will come to their station if they vote for them.
Populism at it's worst.
The big wig politician holds the cards to approve or reject of a new line so the operators have no other way then to comply but at the end it drains profitability constraining them to subsidies making them vulnerable to conforming to more demands by the big wigs creating a vicious cycle.
Operators are not building and paying for high speed lines (at least not in Europe). Government is the major investor so it's only natural that it also has some say where exactly it's going to go.
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Old October 30th, 2012, 12:41 AM   #3667
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Speaking about Populism..


Obama promised a lot of infrastructures to revive the american economy,
but nothing happened, congratulations.
If you had followed politics for at least the last 4 years, in stead of listening to talking points a few weeks before the election, you would know that most initiatives have been shut down by republicans (just look up what happened in Wisconsin, to name one example). Furthermore, improvements on the NEC ARE taking place.
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Old October 30th, 2012, 02:08 AM   #3668
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Obama promised a lot of infrastructures to revive the american economy,
but nothing happened, congratulations.
This is exactly what irks me about the American public when they try to burn Obama for "not following through with his promises."

"Obama is a bad president because he didn't keep his promises; you should vote for me because I was the one who stopped him from keeping his promises."

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Old October 30th, 2012, 03:43 AM   #3669
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the technology is still too unproven
Blame the lack of genuine commitment to maglev R&D.
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Old November 8th, 2012, 12:34 AM   #3670
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Now that Obama has another term, we will probably be able to see more funding for high speed rail lines
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Old November 8th, 2012, 05:23 AM   #3671
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Not exactly, the House is still majority Republican. Unless you can convince some to cross the aisle, that will not happen. Realistically, a Transportation Bill would have to have some sort of hidden rider in it to get it past the House.
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Old November 8th, 2012, 05:30 AM   #3672
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There were plans of building a high speed train network in some areas such as California but never went to effect.
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Old November 8th, 2012, 08:54 AM   #3673
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There were plans of building a high speed train network in some areas such as California but never went to effect.
What are you talking about? California's high speed rail system is in the final stages of planning and will start contract bids and construction next year. It's still very relevant. In areas all around the US, planners are starting to look at high speed rail as a feasible option, from Colorado to Virginia, to even hardcore Republican stronghold, Texas.

My only question regarding CHSR is whether they will bring in foreign expertise or whether they will try to make it "homegrown". In my opinion they should go with foreign tech to save costs.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 02:04 PM   #3674
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CHSR should do the same as China has done. Bring in foreign expertise to get the show on the road and switch to "homegrown" once you have gattered sufficient knowledge.

It would be stupid for them to reinvent the wheel and start of homegrown, but knowing a lot of Americans are oposed to anything foreign, they're crazy enough to do that.

In this case you also have the third option: Only import the knowhow and built it yourself.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 07:45 PM   #3675
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The problem with costs in California are related to bureaucracy, endless alignment discussions, NIMBYs etc.
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Old November 10th, 2012, 06:18 AM   #3676
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The problem with costs in California are related to bureaucracy, endless alignment discussions, NIMBYs etc.
Legitimate problems in America's colorful system, but it doesn't make the question I raised go away.

M-NL, I haven't thought of that, and I suppose that it is feasible. America has many foreign train factories in the US to comply with "Made in USA" regulations for such projects. In that case, JR definitely has a lead, although I have a feeling since there are also several European companies with US holdings, CHSR will very likely try to run both European AND Japanese trains instead of going for a pure system.
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Old November 10th, 2012, 12:19 PM   #3677
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Legitimate problems in America's colorful system, but it doesn't make the question I raised go away.

M-NL, I haven't thought of that, and I suppose that it is feasible. America has many foreign train factories in the US to comply with "Made in USA" regulations for such projects. In that case, JR definitely has a lead, although I have a feeling since there are also several European companies with US holdings, CHSR will very likely try to run both European AND Japanese trains instead of going for a pure system.
If they choose to go with the Japense I hope they stick with international or "european" standards like taiwan. I think that pays of longtorm since you are more flexible (bigger tunnel=smaller train nose, tracks bidirectional etc.)
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Old November 10th, 2012, 05:17 PM   #3678
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Not exactly, the House is still majority Republican. Unless you can convince some to cross the aisle, that will not happen. Realistically, a Transportation Bill would have to have some sort of hidden rider in it to get it past the House.
Also, the financial situation of the USA's federal and many state governments is such that there is no way any of that will be paid for for a long time to come. The federal situation is nearly proportionally on the scale of Greece - with spending on social 'entitlement' programs going through the roof and much, much more on the way.



And then there is this anti-energy orgy that is just beginning at the EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) that will make it very expensive, if not impossible, to power whatever might be built.



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Old November 10th, 2012, 07:51 PM   #3679
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I just hope that the global anti-nuclear surge doesn't spread here; it's the last thing we need....

But frankly, I think it would totally justifiable to do this entire project using pure deficit spending. An economy California's size shouldn't be panicking over spending ~100 billion over 2-3 decades; that's a tiny percentage of the state's GDP. Especially considering that California has been a net giver to federal tax revenue for a good while now.

Never even mind the federal debt situation. That is not actually a problem. But I don't want to start that discussion again. Just my two cents.
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I heard that work will begin sometime in the next year.
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