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Old November 19th, 2012, 02:55 AM   #3681
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Bid to block California high-speed rail work fails
By Tim Sheehan - The Fresno Bee
Saturday, Nov. 17, 2012 | 12:49 AM

SACRAMENTO -- California's proposed bullet train dodged a bullet Friday when a judge denied a request to block work on the high-speed rail section between Merced and Fresno.
After a three-hour court hearing, Sacramento Superior Court Judge Timothy Frawley ruled that the threat of delaying progress on the project outweighed the risk to farmers and other property owners along the route. The judge reasoned that construction is not expected to begin until after the merits of three lawsuits over high-speed rail plans are decided.
Opponents wanted the judge to forbid the California High-Speed Rail Authority from any meaningful work on the Merced-Fresno section -- including planning and design, buying property, or awarding construction contracts -- until he rules on those lawsuits. The first arguments in the case are set for April.

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CA High-Speed Rail Deadline Pushed Back
Nov. 17, 2012
Tim Sheehan, The Fresno Bee
The California High-Speed Rail Authority has pushed back the deadline to finish the first stages of the bullet train system in the central San Joaquin Valley.

The authority is now saying in bidding documents being considered by contractors that it has pushed back its anticipated completion date for its Madera-Bakersfield section to the end of 2017. The agency has previously said that the completion deadline was September 2017 -- a deadline linked to more than $3 billion from the federal government, including American Recovery and Reinvestment Act stimulus funds and transportation money.

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Old December 14th, 2012, 02:00 PM   #3682
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Amtrak Plans to Replace All High-Speed Acela Trains
By Angela Greiling Keane - Dec 14, 2012 10:00 AM GMT+0900

The announcement by Amtrak, the U.S. intercity passenger railroad, that it will replace its fleet of Acela trains may create new competition for Bombardier Inc. (BBD/B), supplier of equipment used since the service’s start.

“There’s not that many companies that build the trains,” said Andy Kunz, president and chief executive officer of the U.S. High Speed Rail Association. “But the handful that there are would all be ready to bid.”

The 12-year-old Acela, which operates between Washington and Boston, is by far Amtrak’s fastest and most profitable service. It produced about a fourth of the taxpayer-supported railroad’s $2 billion in ticket revenue for the year ended Sept. 30. About 3.4 million passengers rode Acela trains during that period.

Amtrak’s decision to buy new trains comes as it develops long-range plans to offer service as fast as 220 miles per hour (354 kilometers per hour) in the Northeast, an effort it’s said will cost $151 billion. The railroad has doubled its share of air-rail travel between New York and Washington, to about 75 percent, since the Acela was introduced and airport security became more time-consuming after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Replacing the Acela fleet may be Amtrak’s biggest equipment purchase since it bought the original trains in a contract valued at $1.2 billion when signed in 1996. Amtrak doesn’t have a cost estimate because it’s at “the very beginning of this process,” Steve Kulm, a railroad spokesman, said.
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Old December 14th, 2012, 06:14 PM   #3683
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Yes! I think US should invest in High Speed Rail projects. From NYC to Montréal, NYC to Chicago, perhaps SF to San Diego. Rail travel can probably use development of photovoltaic power as renewable energy source. Rail travel seems less risky than air travel and not held hostage by petroleum caprice.
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Old December 14th, 2012, 06:46 PM   #3684
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Now, the most important thing is that they acquire an FRA waiver, or else those trains will be so heavy and slow to accelerate that it'd almost be pointless having them.

Goddamnit can someone just get rid of this stupid 'our trains need to be able to survive a nuke' mentality prevalent in US railway planning.
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Old December 14th, 2012, 07:46 PM   #3685
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Now, the most important thing is that they acquire an FRA waiver, or else those trains will be so heavy and slow to accelerate that it'd almost be pointless having them.

Goddamnit can someone just get rid of this stupid 'our trains need to be able to survive a nuke' mentality prevalent in US railway planning.
Agreed.


If they want to keep their trains safe, just create completely seperate PDLs.
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Old December 14th, 2012, 09:11 PM   #3686
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If they want to keep their trains safe, just create completely seperate PDLs.
I think that's the thing. Separate PDLs "cost" too much in the United States, hence the NEC is still mixed use.
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Old December 14th, 2012, 09:46 PM   #3687
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I think that's the thing. Separate PDLs "cost" too much in the United States, hence the NEC is still mixed use.
I know, but as a consequence of being sparse with money AND wanting to keep their trains safe, they make their trains extremely heavy, which doesn't work well with high speed trains.

They should have one, or the other. I vote they work on crash prevention, in stead of crash proofing. If they don't think that's safe enough, they should create PDL's, not make their trains heavier.
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Old December 15th, 2012, 07:41 AM   #3688
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Highspeed rail in U.S is a waste of money- affect the environment- farmed land. We can't sacrifice the land of farmer for high-speed rail. Please don't support the highspeed rail. What's the big deal of traveling faster than 2 or 3 hrs by highspeed rail in compare to that of plan or bus/
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Old December 15th, 2012, 10:25 AM   #3689
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Highspeed rail in U.S is a waste of money- affect the environment- farmed land. We can't sacrifice the land of farmer for high-speed rail. Please don't support the highspeed rail. What's the big deal of traveling faster than 2 or 3 hrs by highspeed rail in compare to that of plan or bus/
What? HSR actually can save land, because it can prevent highway widening.
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Old December 15th, 2012, 11:25 AM   #3690
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Highspeed rail in U.S is a waste of money- affect the environment- farmed land. We can't sacrifice the land of farmer for high-speed rail. Please don't support the highspeed rail. What's the big deal of traveling faster than 2 or 3 hrs by highspeed rail in compare to that of plan or bus/
LOL.

Well, phat100cai, aside from pulling cars from the road, which reduces the need for freeway widening (which is MUCH wider and MUCH more destructive than a railway), high speed rail helps farmers because it reverses urban sprawl.

High speed rail also does not adversely affect the environment as you think. The trains are electric, which means they emit no local pollutants and are relatively quiet compared to automobiles and planes.

What's the point of travelling 2-3 hours faster? Well, my dear friend, allow me! A one-way trip of 3 hours would mean a round trip of 6; if we can cut that down to less than 2 hours, that makes commuting possible. So, for the first time in your central valley, you can go from Bakersfield or Merced to LA and back again in one day.

I can go all day about how high speed rail works in California. Indulge me if you want.
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Old December 15th, 2012, 01:55 PM   #3691
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What's the big deal of traveling faster than 2 or 3 hrs by highspeed rail in compare to that of plan or bus/
Long distance buses are nasty transportation of last choice, you're stuck (no moving around the cabin) in a seat possibly sitting next to a person with bad hygiene or antisocial tendencies, movement of the bus makes some sick, definitely more tiring than a train. Planes, same as buses if economy class, plus if you're in the U.S., enjoy possibly having your privates grabbed and scanned at the airport.
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TSA TSA gropin' all the way!!!
It must be fun to have your balls grabbed on this holiday-ay!
TSA TSA gropin' all the way!!!
Oh how fun it must be to travel in the USA!!!
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Old December 16th, 2012, 06:25 AM   #3693
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TSA TSA gropin' all the way!!!
It must be fun to have your balls grabbed on this holiday-ay!
TSA TSA gropin' all the way!!!
Oh how fun it must be to travel in the USA!!!
Well airports are installing the new 3D screen doors, so now they will only stare at your balls instead of grabbing them.
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Old December 16th, 2012, 11:34 AM   #3694
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Well airports are installing the new 3D screen doors, so now they will only stare at your balls instead of grabbing them.
New 3d screen doors???
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Old December 17th, 2012, 02:38 AM   #3695
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Dear, friend!
Highspeed rail track built will cut through much farming land, and the government must buy this land to settle it down with farmer. At this point, the Cali state is badly in the need to balance the budget, and many social programs is cut or reduced. Also, the whole country is currently in debt of trilllllllllion of dollars of billlllion of dollars of interest annually. With this financing status, Are you wisely enough to persuade me to support building this luxury transportation? Where should we go to dig enough money to build this kind of luxury transportation.
My friend! We can't afford it. Let's pay off the debt first for our country and balance the budget of Cali state- refund those social program, which have been on cut or under-funded recently- maintaining or repairing our current road, highway, or rail-track to better condition because most of this infrastructure has more than 50-60 yrs. This is more practical and realistic.
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Dear, friend!
Highspeed rail track built will cut through much farming land, and the government must buy this land to settle it down with farmer. At this point, the Cali state is badly in the need to balance the budget, and many social programs is cut or reduced. Also, the whole country is currently in debt of trilllllllllion of dollars of billlllion of dollars of interest annually. With this financing status, Are you wisely enough to persuade me to support building this luxury transportation? Where should we go to dig enough money to build this kind of luxury transportation.
My friend! We can't afford it. Let's pay off the debt first for our country and balance the budget of Cali state- refund those social program, which have been on cut or under-funded recently- maintaining or repairing our current road, highway, or rail-track to better condition because most of this infrastructure has more than 50-60 yrs. This is more practical and realistic.

AFAIK CAHSR will be funded through bonds,federal funding and some private investment. Secondly maintaining/upgrading/improving the highway system also costs a lot of money. The whole point of HSR is to relieve road/air congestion in a more environmentally friendly and fuel efficient way. Additionally big deficit funded infrastructure projects are not new in the USA. The big new deal projects in the 1930s were funded by increasing the deficit. I feel it will be counter productive to stop now as starting over later in the future will not only be costly but will also involve fighting all the obstacles (deliberate or otherwise) all over again.
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They should have one, or the other. I vote they work on crash prevention, in stead of crash proofing. If they don't think that's safe enough, they should create PDL's, not make their trains heavier.
The don't need to make the trains heavier in order to crash proof them. That's just FRA being to conservative.
The European norms for high speed trains do require them to be able to absorb the energies involved in a high speed collision. They do this however without making them too heavy.
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The don't need to make the trains heavier in order to crash proof them. That's just FRA being to conservative.
The European norms for high speed trains do require them to be able to absorb the energies involved in a high speed collision. They do this however without making them too heavy.
I just think crash avoidance is the way to go, look at Japan, they have the safest HSR system in the world and they mainly focus on crash avoidance. HSR crashes at high speed is like plane crashes, casualty is unavoidable, so better spend the resources to prevent them from happening in the first place.
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Speaking of which, I know we declined Japan (forgot which company) and SNCF from bidding to manage the implementation of CAHSR, but are they going to at least undertake some technology transfer? (Signaling, etc.?)
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Old December 19th, 2012, 03:30 AM   #3700
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(Signaling, etc.?)
Speaking of... what system will they use?

Will they use a version of the European ERTMS/ETCS like China for example chose?
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