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Old December 30th, 2012, 08:26 PM   #3741
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Looks like an Atlanta-Charlotte-Raleigh line would be a good idea. Also, San Antonio-Austin-DFW. 125mph hour tilting trains on upgraded lines would be good in these areas as a first step. Electrification would help achieve a good service.
Lines in Texas will work great. I'm tired of having my car as the only option. I love driving but I want more options. Flying within Texas is too expensive to justify the cost. If airlines had a cheap walk up fare from Austin to Dallas or Houston that would be great, since they don't provide that HSR is the next best option.
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Old December 31st, 2012, 01:46 AM   #3742
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^ overseas investors have tried to do it multiple times, including Texas, and both times the political system still killed it.

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Old December 31st, 2012, 02:48 AM   #3743
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^ overseas investors have tried to do it multiple times, including Texas, and both times the political system still killed it.
They should try the Northwest or New England easier to build in those regions...
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Old December 31st, 2012, 04:57 AM   #3744
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hopefully the Acela express will be upgraded for that.
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Old December 31st, 2012, 02:59 PM   #3745
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Well, Amtrak is ordering another generation of 'normal' Acelas, saying that the HSR isn't expected until 2045 at the earliest.

For what could have been: http://www.trainweb.org/tgvpages/usa.html
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Old December 31st, 2012, 03:11 PM   #3746
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Well, Amtrak is ordering another generation of 'normal' Acelas, saying that the HSR isn't expected until 2045 at the earliest.

For what could have been: http://www.trainweb.org/tgvpages/usa.html
Just to clarify, I thought they announced they weren't doing that?
Or is that what the announcement meant?

i.e. I thought those 40 new cars they decided not to buy would have been an acquirement of new stock, but they decided to order the newer gen train sets instead?
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Old December 31st, 2012, 03:38 PM   #3747
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Yeah they are ordering new gen trains, but they will not be 350+ km/h HSR.
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Old December 31st, 2012, 06:16 PM   #3748
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Yeah they are ordering new gen trains, but they will not be 350+ km/h HSR.
by 2020 for next gen cars , the whole NEC network will be completed by 2045 , some of the most used lines will open by 2030.
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Old January 1st, 2013, 02:48 AM   #3749
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HSR should be implemented in the BOS-WASH corridor, Florida, areas of Texas, and areas of California (and maybe Chicago-St Louis). Only areas that could support it in my opinion
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Old January 1st, 2013, 10:12 AM   #3750
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HSR should be implemented in the BOS-WASH corridor, Florida, areas of Texas, and areas of California (and maybe Chicago-St Louis). Only areas that could support it in my opinion
I think the SE could support a medium speed rail tilting train type service, that corridor between Charlotte and Atlanta is growing fast.. Then extend that up to Raleigh and eventually DC.

Florida is getting a regular diesel medium speed privately run service soon but on freight tracks. I doubt they will get HSR anytime soon after what happened last

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Old January 1st, 2013, 05:52 PM   #3751
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by 2020 for next gen cars , the whole NEC network will be completed by 2045 , some of the most used lines will open by 2030.
So could we see an order of trains with tilt and very high speed capability to plug the gap while the route is upgraded?
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Old January 1st, 2013, 10:53 PM   #3752
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If we can time travel and jump to 2023 chances are this discussion is still going as nothing would have happened.
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Old January 1st, 2013, 11:30 PM   #3753
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If we can time travel and jump to 2023 chances are this discussion is still going as nothing would have happened.
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 02:06 AM   #3754
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You debbie downers, cynics and pessimist will all be proven wrong anyway, think what you want.
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 02:17 AM   #3755
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You debbie downers, cynics and pessimist will all be proven wrong anyway, think what you want.
One of the rare cases I'd be happy to be proven wrong... Let us know when the first rail is laid.

If you are really quick about it, it could still be the first stretch in the Western hemisphere
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 07:34 PM   #3756
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Jobs aren't scarce. It's got an unemployment rate of just under 10%, higher than the national average, but not by much, and it's dropping.
Numbers Lie and the US Gov has been moving the numbers around for 10 years or more. The labour force participation rate is lower than it has been since 1960 or so and I hear nothing but bad news.

Real UE is more like 18% when those who have given up, early retired, take SSDI and other cohorts are added in.

Median income has dropped 5 years running. Yes, people have jobs. Part time jobs that pay $10 an hour 19 to 23 hours a week with no benefits when they used to have a job that paid $60k a year with full medical.

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There is something incorrect about it. Name for me another trillion dollar economy which is required to have a balanced budget at the end of every fiscal year. Nevermind the fact that California is a net donor state in terms of redistribution of federal tax dollars. Nevermind that no one in their right mind would allow or cause the state to go broke considering the value it has to the national and global economy.

The U.S. has the sort of fiscal and monetary union and attitude about that which would save the Euro quickly, if it weren't for the Austrians in the ECB and those like you who keep egging them on.
All economies that borrow like this eventually have a day of reckoning.

You believe that monetary easing can avoid hardship.

I know this is folly.

Standards of living will drop. It's just a matter of how.

It does not matter if you enact austerity (EU), avoid reality (USA), ease and intervene for 23 years (JCB), inflate it away, or take your medicine and get through the pain (Iceland).

The pain must be felt, assets written down, standards of living contract.

The excess amount above the curve/trend-line, must always be balanced by an amount under the curve/trend-line. The areas, when a credit bubble (not a Recession due to over capacity) occurs, must balance.

Or you get what we have today.

Iceland would be best. Tell the banks to book the losses, take the stimulus money and set up a dozen new USA chartered banks to keep the money and credit supply growing, jail everyone and make sure this does not happen again. Or until we forget this lesson the next time as we did in 2001-2008 when everyone from 1929 was dead or too old and, just like you, we all thought we knew better now, have more tools at our disposal, can financially innovate, etc. Pain? You betcha. But after wards the economy will be on much stronger footing, free of crippling debt payments.

You cannot spend more than you make. Eventually you must live within your means.

Your education indoctrinated you that this idea is outdated.

Reality is going to show you that your education was wrong.

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Look, I don't want to get into this, because I've tried to explain to you basic macroeconomics before, and you explicitly refused to listen. I suggest a mod delete these two specific posts, if possible.
No, what you are doing is attempting to convince me that MMT and Keynesianism are sound policies, and they are not.

Keynesianism was supposed to be based upon:

1) Save surplus when the times are good to
2) Spend them down and stimulate the economy when the times are bad.

China does this. This is very good and why China is doing ok.

The USA just skipped over the 'save the surplus' part and went directly to 'spend' and debt and print and inflate. This is bad.

I get it. You majored in Econ and you think you know what's going on because you went to a school that supported Keynesianism and MMT.

You are about to get a brutal education in the real world that will reveal to you that your education was vastly over priced and, to put it bluntly, wrong.

Back to trains...
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 07:55 PM   #3757
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China Hand, but what if current crisis caused not only by some rampant economists and bankers, but also by high oil prices and slowdown of oil extraction?
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 08:07 PM   #3758
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Gotta love the foreign US-haters "lecturing" American forumers using the imperative modal.
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 09:47 PM   #3759
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Amtrak Seeks Safety Changes to Allow U.S. Bullet Trains


Amtrak will recommend new U.S. rail- safety regulations to allow it to replace its Acela trains in the Northeast U.S. with lighter, faster equipment, Chief Executive Officer Joseph Boardman said.
U.S. crashworthiness standards force Amtrak to use trains that have locomotives on both ends and are slower and heavier than bullet trains used in Europe and Asia, Boardman said in an interview. Those standards reflect that U.S. passenger trains often share tracks with freight railroads rather than operating on their own lines.
Existing standards apply to trains traveling as much as 150 miles per hour (241 kilometers per hour). Writing new rules that relax railcar structural-strength requirements for faster trains “would allow for less use of fuel, quicker acceleration, a different performance profile,” Boardman, 64, said. “What we’re really looking for is a performance specification here.”
Amtrak last month announced it would seek bids to replace its 12-year-old fleet of 20 Acela trains operating between Washington and Boston instead of adding two cars to each train, a plan its inspector general questioned as too expensive. The Acela carried about 3.4 million passengers and produced about a fourth of Amtrak’s $2 billion in ticket revenue for the year ended Sept. 30.
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 10:11 PM   #3760
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The strange thing about you, China Hand, and others who follow Austrian economics, is that in fact what you say follows logically from your premises, but when the evidence contradicts your premises, you simply try to discredit it and consequently refuse to change your views. You stop using logic whenever it doesn't tell you what you want. Dogmatism at its finest.

I'm not going to attempt to have a discussion with someone like that. And I highly recommend that, at least on macroeconomics, others refrain from engaging as well.

On Nexis' post, I can't honestly see this happening, reasonable though the demand is, until we do in fact get some passenger-dedicated rails. It is good that Amtrak is pushing something like this though. The organization as a whole really ought to stick up more for its own interests.
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