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Old January 29th, 2013, 02:57 PM   #3841
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i would like to see a similar renaissance of PT projects, subways and trams and buses in the US, some cities like Phoenix really need it
or is that just my myopic view?
It's already happening in most cities.
Phoenix is just a good poster child because it's always behind.
I think LA is making the most impressive turn around this corner.

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Old January 30th, 2013, 04:09 AM   #3842
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Past Studies and Industry Experts ive asked said Electrification costs usually only add 50-150 million ontop the project.
Only $150 million?? The rule of thumb we use in the office is approximately $6 million per mile of double track, which is dependent on numerous variables. In fact, what's holding many proposals back is electricification's tremendous capital costs.

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Old January 30th, 2013, 11:54 AM   #3843
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150 mln. is enough for brand new track on alignments needing earthworks !
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Old January 30th, 2013, 06:15 PM   #3844
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Amtrak et la Californie vont définir un matériel roulant américain à grande vitesse



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Le 17 janvier, Amtrak et la California High Speed Rail Authority se sont réunis à la gare de Washington (Union Station) pour définir une demande d’information en vue d’acquérir en commun des trains à grande vitesse. Ce partenariat a pour but de faire avancer à la fois la modernisation du Corridor Nord-Est (Boston - New York - Washington) et le développement d’un réseau de 800 km en Californie, tout en établissant une norme américaine de matériel roulant à grande vitesse (350 km/h), qui pourrait être « fabriqué et fourni localement, mais aussi produit pour le reste du monde ».


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Amtrak California rolling stock will define American high speed




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January 17, Amtrak and the California High Speed ​​Rail Authority met in Washington Station (Union Station) to define an information request to acquire share high-speed trains. This partnership aims to advance both the modernization of the Northeast Corridor (Boston - New York - Washington) and the development of a network of 800 km in California, establishing a standard American high rolling speed (350 km / h), which could be "manufactured and supplied locally, but also produced for the world."

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Old January 30th, 2013, 09:13 PM   #3845
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Only $150 million?? The rule of thumb we use in the office is approximately $6 million per mile of double track, which is dependent on numerous variables. In fact, what's holding many proposals back is electricification's tremendous capital costs.
Here is a recent electrification contract awarded in UK: http://www.railjournal.com/index.php...ml?channel=542

Approximate cost of only $3.2 million per mile of double track. Plus I don't think UK is the cheapest place in Western Europe to do such things.
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Old February 1st, 2013, 06:50 PM   #3846
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Plus I don't think UK is the cheapest place in Western Europe to do such things.
Proudly the most expensive! Gives us something to moan about.
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Old February 3rd, 2013, 09:24 PM   #3847
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Is there any news of CHSR picking JR's offer?
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Old February 4th, 2013, 03:06 AM   #3848
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Is there any news of CHSR picking JR's offer?
It's still too early- they haven't even chosen the contractors who will build the initial segment of the line in the Central Valley.

http://www.fresnobee.com/2013/01/23/...lley-high.html
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Old February 5th, 2013, 10:08 PM   #3849
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On another semi-related note, EMD has come out with official advertisement and specifications for its new F125 high speed diesel locomotive:
http://www.emdiesels.com/emdweb/prod...f_rev5RevE.pdf
Seems kind of on the heavy side to me 0.o?
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Old February 5th, 2013, 10:18 PM   #3850
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Heavier than the ACS and the EuroSprinter for sure, I guess because of the diesel prime mover?
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Old February 5th, 2013, 10:54 PM   #3851
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Yes. Diesel traction for high-speed - it's just a joke. The higher is the speed, the more power must be installed. The higher power requires bigger engine and more fuel. Which means more weight. More weight means more power. The higher power...
Well process are slowing down with each loop, but it's still wasteful. When such energies involved, it's usually cheaper to put a power station and a centenary near the tracks, than to haul power power plant on board.
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Old February 5th, 2013, 11:05 PM   #3852
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When such energies involved, it's usually cheaper to put a power station and a centenary near the tracks, than to haul power power plant on board.
Good point. Internal combustion engines are notorioulsy inefficient.
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Old February 5th, 2013, 11:10 PM   #3853
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Good point. Internal combustion engines are notorioulsy inefficient.
Thermal power stations, which is the origin for the majority of our
electricity, are not that impressively better... They give you more
fuel choice, but don't burn it much better ! But at least you don't
have to haul them around, agreed.
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Old February 5th, 2013, 11:44 PM   #3854
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Thermal power stations, which is the origin for the majority of our
electricity, are not that impressively better... They give you more
fuel choice, but don't burn it much better ! But at least you don't
have to haul them around, agreed.
Very true. Not much choice though. Wind and solar power aren't quite there yet in terms of cost effectiveness and nuclear power would have too many political difficulties.
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Old February 6th, 2013, 12:08 AM   #3855
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Exactly. The only reason there is still a market and incentive for development of new diesel locomotives is because there isn't enough political will to electrify the majority of the rail corridors in the US.
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Old February 6th, 2013, 12:12 AM   #3856
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Exactly. The only reason there is still a market and incentive for development of new diesel locomotives is because there isn't enough political will to electrify the majority of the rail corridors in the US.
Agreed. Given the tremendous capital costs involved, its doubtful the private sector (NS, CSX, BNSF, UP, et. al.) would ever be able to pull it off. Government intervention would be needed, which, as you state, requires the political will to do so. And given the current thinking in Washington (or lack of thinking) its a long shot for sure.
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Old February 6th, 2013, 05:37 PM   #3857
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Agreed. Given the tremendous capital costs involved, its doubtful the private sector (NS, CSX, BNSF, UP, et. al.) would ever be able to pull it off. Government intervention would be needed, which, as you state, requires the political will to do so. And given the current thinking in Washington (or lack of thinking) its a long shot for sure.
And how do you propose your precious federal government would pay for such a thing?
You do realize that we are in tremendous debt, right?
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Old February 6th, 2013, 05:39 PM   #3858
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Here is a recent electrification contract awarded in UK: http://www.railjournal.com/index.php...ml?channel=542

Approximate cost of only $3.2 million per mile of double track. Plus I don't think UK is the cheapest place in Western Europe to do such things.
...And, in all likelihood, half the price as in the US...Sigh...
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Old February 6th, 2013, 05:44 PM   #3859
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And how do you propose your precious federal government would pay for such a thing?
You do realize that we are in tremendous debt, right?
You could divert 10% of funding going to the defense budget, that would provide 60 billion a year.
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Old February 6th, 2013, 06:58 PM   #3860
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And how do you propose your precious federal government would pay for such a thing?
You do realize that we are in tremendous debt, right?
We spend about 60-120 billion on entitlements and another 1.5 Trillion on Defense I think we can afford High Speed Rail and Transit.... This country has mental issues when It comes to investing in the future...its mainly from the older generations which have ruined and mucked up the country , if this country or any country in general was run by the younger fresher generation this country would be a hell of alot different.
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