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Old February 16th, 2013, 01:22 PM   #3941
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I didn't say dangerous, I said uncomfortable.
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Old February 17th, 2013, 06:41 PM   #3942
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I said uncomfortable.

The superelevation is set so that the level of 'uncomfortable' is the same at full speed as at rest. The perfect balance of 'comfort' (ie no lateral acceleration) is somewhere in between (probably around 90% of full speed). You misapprehend how superelevation is set.
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Old February 18th, 2013, 07:30 PM   #3943
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It Needs to be Engineered , Plans call for a Muti-Modal Station to be built at Elizabeth along with Straightening... The Newark Upgrades are Engineered and like the Portal Bridge North are awaiting funding.... Most of this stuff should be done by 2025....
I'm sorry Nexis, but I've heard nothing beyond general concepts. Could you please point me to some references or send me some of these plans? Thanks.
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Old February 19th, 2013, 12:28 PM   #3944
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MDOT, Amtrak gear Up For High Speed Trains Expansion



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LANSING — The Michigan Department of Transportation and Amtrak are saying full speed ahead on expanding the state's high-speed train service.

Amtrak will take over maintenance on the former Norfolk Southern Railway route used by Amtrak's Wolverine Service and Blue Water trains Feb. 16. MDOT purchased 135 miles of the railroad last year.

MDOT says this will allow track improvements to begin to bring more areas high-speed train service. The department says improvements may begin as early as this spring.

Amtrak trains currently reach 110 mph along an 80-mile stretch between Porter, Ind., and Kalamazoo. The expansion of the high-speed service is expected to start between Kalamazoo and Battle Creek and head eastward.

MDOT and Amtrak say the goal is to get passengers between Chicago and Detroit in about five hours.

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This culminates a 2011 plan to buy the tracks and improve them for upgraded speeds. Eventually Michigan hopes to transform the route into a true HSR line from Detroit to Chicago.
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Old February 20th, 2013, 12:43 AM   #3945
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Old February 20th, 2013, 03:46 PM   #3946
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A new report issued by the Environmental Law & Policy Center shows investment in the next generation of rail would increase rail manufacturing and jobs throughout the industrial Midwest.

http://elpc.org/wp-content/uploads/2...b-webready.pdf
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Old February 21st, 2013, 10:44 AM   #3947
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MDOT, Amtrak gear Up For High Speed Trains Expansion

This culminates a 2011 plan to buy the tracks and improve them for upgraded speeds. Eventually Michigan hopes to transform the route into a true HSR line from Detroit to Chicago.
This kind of incremental improvement is probably the best approach to achieve true high speed service in today's political and fiscal environment.
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Old February 21st, 2013, 03:50 PM   #3948
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This kind of incremental improvement is probably the best approach to achieve true high speed service in today's political and fiscal environment.
Agreed. Incrementally is the only realistic way to go or any proposal would be dead on arrival.
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Old February 21st, 2013, 05:33 PM   #3949
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As much as I would like a 217 mph passenger dedicated line to be built and built fast, at least they're doing something to increase the speed.
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Old February 21st, 2013, 05:38 PM   #3950
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As much as I would like a 217 mph passenger dedicated line to be built and built fast, at least they're doing something to increase the speed.
Yep. Incrementally....
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Old February 21st, 2013, 07:16 PM   #3951
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The problem with increment approaches is that it sticks users with a lesser system for several decades. For instance, some curvy sectors might be just eased instead of replaced for bypasses.
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Old February 21st, 2013, 08:06 PM   #3952
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The problem with increment approaches is that it sticks users with a lesser system for several decades. For instance, some curvy sectors might be just eased instead of replaced for bypasses.
I don't disagree, thats a very good point. I was just speaking about practicality in today's fiscal/political climate. Better 1/2 a loaf of bread rather than none. But your points are well taken.

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Old February 22nd, 2013, 03:30 AM   #3953
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As much as I would like a 217 mph passenger dedicated line to be built and built fast, at least they're doing something to increase the speed.
Why not 300+ China has a 302 MPH passenger train
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Old February 22nd, 2013, 03:31 AM   #3954
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San Diego to hold public meeting on HSR: http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/...an-diego-rail/

The city was left out of California's HSR plans but wants to develop entry points using existing rail that may be upgraded later to full HSR.
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Old February 22nd, 2013, 03:49 AM   #3955
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A Southwest Transit Plan

Mega airport (probably world's biggest) near Salton Sea

High Speed Rail (300+ MPH) from transit center to:

San Diego(via El Cajon)
Los Angeles via Oceanside, Irvine (Cross California High Speed at Escondido)
Las Vegas (Hook up with Xpress West near Barstow)
Pheonix/Tuscon (Split directions near Casa Grande)
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Old February 22nd, 2013, 05:34 AM   #3956
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Old February 22nd, 2013, 06:01 AM   #3957
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Why not 300+ China has a 302 MPH passenger train
Nope, they do not. They're working on one that will reach that speed maximally, but you can bet that it won't run at that speed in operation. Traditional high speed trains stop being energy and thus cost-efficient after about 400km/h or 250mph, at least as far as I've heard.
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Join the club. Well, I don't know about HATE, I never met the woman, but I do have an intense dislike of her philosophies.
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Old February 22nd, 2013, 04:57 PM   #3959
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Nope, they do not. They're working on one that will reach that speed maximally, but you can bet that it won't run at that speed in operation. Traditional high speed trains stop being energy and thus cost-efficient after about 400km/h or 250mph, at least as far as I've heard.
Yes they do, two in fact. However they only went this fast in tests, and only travel around 200mph in service.
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Old February 22nd, 2013, 07:31 PM   #3960
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Alright, well the more important point remains; there isn't any train service which currently hits 300mph, and the only one that will in the forseeable future is the maglev Chuo Shinkansen, of which I'm sure you're aware. Thus, talking about a 300mph service from anywhere to anywhere else won't mean anything until the late 2020's.
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