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Old March 8th, 2013, 11:58 AM   #3981
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I still think it's a mistake to even think about 350km/h service right now, just do a 250km/h line to keep the budget in check so it can actually happen.
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Old March 8th, 2013, 12:24 PM   #3982
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I still think it's a mistake to even think about 350km/h service right now, just do a 250km/h line to keep the budget in check so it can actually happen.
Actually, building a 350 km\h aligned line, but temporarily built for 300 km|n are common practice. But building 250 km\h aligned line and rebuilding in 10 or 15 year - is pure stupidity.
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Old March 8th, 2013, 06:04 PM   #3983
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I still think it's a mistake to even think about 350km/h service right now, just do a 250km/h line to keep the budget in check so it can actually happen.
Personally I think they should go with 350km/h line and be done with it.
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Old March 8th, 2013, 06:52 PM   #3984
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Personally I think they should go with 350km/h line and be done with it.
No exactly. On the trunk routes, future proofing is necessary. On the smaller lines, going slower is prudent.
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Old March 9th, 2013, 12:07 PM   #3985
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I still think it's a mistake to even think about 350km/h service right now, just do a 250km/h line to keep the budget in check so it can actually happen.
In terms of construction of the line, 250 vs 350 will save almost nothing.
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Old March 9th, 2013, 02:24 PM   #3986
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Actually, building a 350 km\h aligned line, but temporarily built for 300 km|n are common practice. But building 250 km\h aligned line and rebuilding in 10 or 15 year - is pure stupidity.
Why would they be rebuilding it in 10 or 15 years? It'd be a huge achievement in the US if a new 250km/h PDL can be built and utilized effectively, they shouldn't even think about upgrading to 350km/h until other major corridors are connected, which means 30-40 years down the road.

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In terms of construction of the line, 250 vs 350 will save almost nothing.
It sure will save construction and operation cost, smaller turning radius and clearance area, less wear and tear on the train and tracks, etc.
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Old March 9th, 2013, 02:36 PM   #3987
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I think that it is better to develop aviation than railways in the USA. Really, sometimes to trevel by plane you need to pay practically the same as for train. And of course it is much faster to travel by plane. And that is why I think that there is no need to make 350 km/h railway in the USA.
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It sure will save construction and operation cost, smaller turning radius and clearance area, less wear and tear on the train and tracks, etc.

Hah! Tell that to the Chinese.
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Old March 9th, 2013, 02:54 PM   #3989
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I think that it is better to develop aviation than railways in the USA. Really, sometimes to trevel by plane you need to pay practically the same as for train. And of course it is much faster to travel by plane. And that is why I think that there is no need to make 350 km/h railway in the USA.
Except that there are certain air corridors that have practically reached their limit, so there is a NEED for more ways to get from one city to another quickly.
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Old March 9th, 2013, 04:19 PM   #3990
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I think that it is better to develop aviation than railways in the USA. Really, sometimes to trevel by plane you need to pay practically the same as for train. And of course it is much faster to travel by plane. And that is why I think that there is no need to make 350 km/h railway in the USA.
Except we have no more room in the Northeastern US to build Airport hence why New England is building up its Rail Network.... and Air Travel is double the cost of Amtrak in the Northeast and out of the way.
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Old March 9th, 2013, 04:22 PM   #3991
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Why would they be rebuilding it in 10 or 15 years? It'd be a huge achievement in the US if a new 250km/h PDL can be built and utilized effectively, they shouldn't even think about upgrading to 350km/h until other major corridors are connected, which means 30-40 years down the road.


It sure will save construction and operation cost, smaller turning radius and clearance area, less wear and tear on the train and tracks, etc.
It would be a bit cheaper, but not significantly so. If you build it at all why not do so to the highest standard possible? That's exactly that other countries with newly built high speed railways have opted to do (China, South Korea, Spain etc.).
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Old March 9th, 2013, 04:24 PM   #3992
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Aviation in US is already very well developed and alternative modes for medium distance travel would be desirable.
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Old March 10th, 2013, 08:56 AM   #3993
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Hah! Tell that to the Chinese.
China's HSR network is already a combination of 350km/h and 250km/h lines.
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Old March 10th, 2013, 03:50 PM   #3994
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China's HSR network is already a combination of 350km/h and 250km/h lines.
Exactly
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Exactly
So what's your point?
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Old March 11th, 2013, 01:22 AM   #3996
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So what's your point?
That if China sees worth in it, then US ought to, too.
The mixed approach is very prudent too, it allows for reasonable budgeting for these things (financial matters are a serious bugbear in the US)
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That if China sees worth in it, then US ought to, too.
The mixed approach is very prudent too, it allows for reasonable budgeting for these things (financial matters are a serious bugbear in the US)
Chinese are building the most important lines at 350 km/h standard and 2nd priority lines at 200 or 250 km/h standard. At this moment we are only discussing the first priority lines in USA between the biggest and richest cities in the nation (Washington-NYC-Boston; LA-San Francisco; Houston-Dallas) so it's only logical that those ought to be built to the highest standard. Just like in China
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Old March 11th, 2013, 07:28 AM   #3998
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Chinese are building the most important lines at 350 km/h standard and 2nd priority lines at 200 or 250 km/h standard. At this moment we are only discussing the first priority lines in USA between the biggest and richest cities in the nation (Washington-NYC-Boston; LA-San Francisco; Houston-Dallas) so it's only logical that those ought to be built to the highest standard. Just like in China
But the most important lines in the US cited above simply do not have the same level of demand compare to China's 350km/h lines, such as Beijing-Tianjin and Shanghai-Nanjing. Right now in the US it's a matter of whether we can have it at all, speed can come later.
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Old March 11th, 2013, 10:00 AM   #3999
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Large parts of the USA aren't used to high speed rail, therefore it's logical that there isn't demand (yet). You need to create a proper alternative to air travel, so you really need fast trains. Something in the 125 mph range just won't cut it.
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I think that the biggest problem is very slow speed of HSR project in the USA. China built it's HSR in 6 years. So, Amtrak plans to build it by 2040( 27 years). Is it normally?!
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