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Old March 13th, 2013, 04:53 AM   #4021
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I think the initial 10 corridors proposed a few years ago would all work. But apparently a few states are in need of some new leadership (like Florida).

The population of USA is set to increase to 600 million this century, so there will be enough passengers. But in order to accommodate for this population growth, something must be done to the public transportation system, and high speed PDL lines would do just that.
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Old March 14th, 2013, 06:18 AM   #4022
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This is a good solution

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"OuiGo brings the aviation low-cost concept to high-speed railways. In exchange for a cheap ticket, customers will be charged for a second carry-on bag; they’ll pay more for the use of an electrical outlet; they’ll be unable to change their tickets without a fee. There will be fewer conductors — only four per train, who will also be tasked with some maintenance. Double-decker trains will seat 1,268 passengers, not because seats have been compressed (unlike the airlines, thank god), but rather because the first class and dining car spaces have been replaced by economy-class areas. Trains themselves will be scheduled to run more often than typical TGVs, traveling about 80,000 kilometers per month, double the normal rate."
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Old March 14th, 2013, 09:33 AM   #4023
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No it isn't, OuiGo requires you to be present 30 minutes before departure for several checks plus you're only allowed one piece of luggage. The Japanese way seems much better to me: Both automatic and manned ticket gates at every station so you need a ticket to enter and exit a station.
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Old March 14th, 2013, 05:27 PM   #4024
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No it isn't, OuiGo requires you to be present 30 minutes before departure for several checks plus you're only allowed one piece of luggage. The Japanese way seems much better to me: Both automatic and manned ticket gates at every station so you need a ticket to enter and exit a station.
Don't most require 30 minute arrival prior to departure?
And you have to pay to check additional baggage...

I said a solution, not the solution. An alternative, that's all.
If you want to be able to get from A to B by the cheapest means possible, this is a good way to legitimate rail as preferable over car trips (which is their immediate goal, I think. The long term goal is increasing revenue; i.e. higher frequency of trips).
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Old March 14th, 2013, 08:09 PM   #4025
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It's seems ridiculous to charge for extra bags on train - on a train you roll any extra mass, not lift it with lifting extra fuel as well...But I haven't seen the exact figures, to be honest.
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Old March 14th, 2013, 11:59 PM   #4026
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So will construction start on the California line any time in the near future?
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Old March 15th, 2013, 02:20 AM   #4027
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I really don't see the point in talking this vs. this.
If HSR would go on a national scale; of course people would use it. It might take longer than flying sometimes; but going city to city sometimes has more benefits than an hour or so faster.

I don't really see the point in choosing.
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Old March 15th, 2013, 03:03 AM   #4028
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It's seems ridiculous to charge for extra bags on train - on a train you roll any extra mass, not lift it with lifting extra fuel as well...But I haven't seen the exact figures, to be honest.
In the case of trains, the issue is less about weight than it is about space and speed of boarding. If you assume no one will help passengers with their bags and they need to self-store them, having people with many bags each is detrimental to speedy operations on stations, requiring increased dwelling times and/or creating storage problems within the train.
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Old March 15th, 2013, 03:46 AM   #4029
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Hi, here some facts about OUIGO service and my (humble but quite radical) opinion about it:
New "Ouigo" SNCF service is an absolut scam !

-It seems to be cheap, but finally it's not
Trains starts from a remote suburban station 30 Km East of Paris : round-trip ticket from the capital costs 14.60 euros and the ride takes 40 minutes each way !
When you arrive in Lyon-Saint-Exupéry station it costs 26 euros round-trip to city center and takes 30 minutes each way by rapid tram "Rhônexpress".

Plus, you must arrive 30 minutes in advance to check your luggage and make you pay a supplement if you have an excessive size or weight.

To increase profitability trains will make a maximum of rotations and I read that maintenance will be assured only during the night.
Everyone who took the TGV noticed the serious problem of cleanliness in the WC (even in 1st class), so we can imagine the result in these trains carrying more passengers at the end of the day

Using remote stations far from city center these TGV lose the main advantage they have over the plane: a competitive time travel connecting directly center to center.
There is already an SNCF cheap service called IDTGV using same routes as classical TGV's.
For all these reasons I don't see any advantage in the Ouigo service and if we think well it appears to be a scam.
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Old March 15th, 2013, 05:04 AM   #4030
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Alright, well the more important point remains; there isn't any train service which currently hits 300mph, and the only one that will in the forseeable future is the maglev Chuo Shinkansen, of which I'm sure you're aware. Thus, talking about a 300mph service from anywhere to anywhere else won't mean anything until the late 2020's.
Actually there is a 302 MPH train between beijing and shanghai
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Old March 15th, 2013, 07:14 AM   #4031
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Actually there is a 302 MPH train between beijing and shanghai
That train is 300kph
300mph is like 480kph!



There isn't any commercial service that runs at that speed...The fastest commercial train is Shanghai's maglev, and it's 431 km/h (268 mph).
unless I'm mistaken.
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Old March 15th, 2013, 11:58 AM   #4032
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So will construction start on the California line any time in the near future?
It's supposed to start this July:

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Despite high-speed rail's many challenges, Tripousis said the CHRSA is on track to break ground this summer.

Construction on the first operating phase of the rail system -- a 130-mile stretch between the Central Valley cities of Madera and Bakersfield -- is expected to start in July, he said.
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sec...sco&id=8949867
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Old March 15th, 2013, 03:27 PM   #4033
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Don't most require 30 minute arrival prior to departure?
Is that standard practice in the USA?
In Europe and Japan a check-in prior to departure is very unusual, except for the trains passing throught the Channel tunnel and car shuttles.
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Old March 15th, 2013, 04:45 PM   #4034
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USA has to start developing it's HSR or it will get behind the rest of the world quickly. Especially since oil princes are rising and pressure to use less polluting ways of transport becomes bigger. Of course NYC to LA would be stupid, but any line from 100 up to even 1000 miles could make a lot of since, when in close area to enough residents. These lines could make since and be profitable:
Washington - New York - Montreal/Boston (- Portland), a lot already exists, but it could be better (200Mph)
(Reno - Sacramento -) San Francisco - San Jose - Los Angles (- San Diego/Phoenix)
Chicago - Detroit - Toronto (- Ottawa - Montreal)
Vancouver - Seattle - Portland
(Minneapolis -) Chicago - Indianapolis - Columbus - Pittsburgh - Washington/New York
(Oklahoma City -) Dallas - Houston (- New Orleans)

One of the main points is: don't stop and think what could be enhanced or extended. Smaller lines like Los Angles - Las Vegas and Saint Louis - Kansas City could also be made. Just keep in mind that in a later stadium they could be extended. And while few people would go from Portland (Maine) to Washington DC, passengers Portland - NYC, Boston - Philadelphia and Newark - Washington could all benefit from the same train; that's the ideology used in Europe, which works well. As long as each stop has enough population around them and at least another stop between 100 and 300 miles.
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In Europe and Japan a check-in prior to departure is very unusual, except for the trains passing throught the Channel tunnel and car shuttles.
I believe this will change very quickly if there was to be a high profiled train jack/bombing to occur in either region.
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Old March 15th, 2013, 06:13 PM   #4036
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I believe this will change very quickly if there was to be a high profiled train jack/bombing to occur in either region.
It's much more likely a terrorist incident will occur on a subway train- it's easier to carry out, causes more casualties and affects more people overall, as people need to get to work but don't really need to take HSR- and indeed has already occurred both in Europe and Japan, much more than any high speed rail incident (the sole being Carlos the Jackal on the TGV).
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Old March 15th, 2013, 06:17 PM   #4037
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I believe this will change very quickly if there was to be a high profiled train jack/bombing to occur in either region.
like the one in Madrid?
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It's much more likely a terrorist incident will occur on a subway train- it's easier to carry out, causes more casualties and affects more people overall, as people need to get to work but don't really need to take HSR- and indeed has already occurred both in Europe and Japan, much more than any high speed rail incident (the sole being Carlos the Jackal on the TGV).
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like the one in Madrid?
I believe you two are talking about the same incident which was in a way lucky. If the terrorist knew more about HSR, the bomber would have placed a shaped charge targeting the boogie ideally during at maximum speed on a curve in which will cause derailment probably killing more than one third and halting the line for more than a day.
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Old March 15th, 2013, 06:34 PM   #4039
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the point is that the spanish didn't offer up all their civil liberties on a plate of genital x-rays and cavity searches to underpaid low-iq gummint workers like some pathetic nations that shan't be named
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Old March 15th, 2013, 07:16 PM   #4040
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I believe this will change very quickly if there was to be a high profiled train jack/bombing to occur in either region.
Jacking the train is the dumbest idea possible - modern trains aren't going anywhere without proper aspect in train protection system, and even if terrorist are smart enough to disable train protection, power can be cut-off at any moment with a single button by energy dispatcher.

Also, majority of railway bombing happened on commuter or metro trains, as their network are more spread-out, they tends to be packed with more passengers and have little or no crew on board.
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