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Old March 15th, 2013, 08:13 PM   #4041
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Bullet train, Caltrain talks back on track
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An expected agreement between California’s high-speed rail planners and Caltrain is a big step forward for the Peninsula commuter train’s efforts to modernize and electrify.

A memorandum of understanding, several years in the making, is expected to win approval from the California High-Speed Rail Authority board at a March 18 meeting. The MOU has already won approval from Caltrain’s board.

The MOU will help free up some $706 million authorized under Proposition 1A, the California ballot measure passed in 2008 approving nearly $10 billion in bonds for the bullet train. That is a little less than half the amount needed to electrify the 50-mile Caltrain route between San Francisco and San Jose.
Caltrain also plans to install an advanced signal system to allow more trains to run more closely together, improving the system’s speed.

Another main element in the memorandum of understanding is a so-called “blended system” in which California’s bullet train will share tracks with Caltrain along the Peninsula . . . .
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Old March 16th, 2013, 05:10 AM   #4042
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Old March 16th, 2013, 05:14 AM   #4043
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Old March 16th, 2013, 05:27 AM   #4044
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USA has to start developing it's HSR or it will get behind the rest of the world quickly. Especially since oil princes are rising and pressure to use less polluting ways of transport becomes bigger. Of course NYC to LA would be stupid, but any line from 100 up to even 1000 miles could make a lot of since, when in close area to enough residents. These lines could make since and be profitable:
Washington - New York - Montreal/Boston (- Portland), a lot already exists, but it could be better (200Mph)
(Reno - Sacramento -) San Francisco - San Jose - Los Angles (- San Diego/Phoenix)
Chicago - Detroit - Toronto (- Ottawa - Montreal)
Vancouver - Seattle - Portland
(Minneapolis -) Chicago - Indianapolis - Columbus - Pittsburgh - Washington/New York
(Oklahoma City -) Dallas - Houston (- New Orleans)
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The Charlotte to Greensboro to Durham to Raleigh to Richmond to Washington

corridor has been the fastest growing in the Amtrak network...particularly the

segment between Charlotte and Durham-Raleigh. North Carolina and Virginia

have committed resources and are accpting federal investments in the HSR

corridor.

A new Central Station for Charlotte has gone out for construction bids.
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Old March 16th, 2013, 05:27 AM   #4045
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Jacking the train is the dumbest idea possible - modern trains aren't going anywhere without proper aspect in train protection system, and even if terrorist are smart enough to disable train protection, power can be cut-off at any moment with a single button by energy dispatcher.

Also, majority of railway bombing happened on commuter or metro trains, as their network are more spread-out, they tends to be packed with more passengers and have little or no crew on board.
HSR in developed nations are valuable intercity infrastructure in which flow is must. A train that been high jacked will stop the flow for more then a day which becomes a huge economic loss. Same with bombing.
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Old March 16th, 2013, 12:04 PM   #4046
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HSR in developed nations are valuable intercity infrastructure in which flow is must. A train that been high jacked will stop the flow for more then a day which becomes a huge economic loss. Same with bombing.
Terrorists aren't likely to sacrifice their lives merely to stop the trains for a day or two. In any case there aren't all that many terrorists around in the first place and vast majority of those which do exist are being tracked by security services.
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Old March 16th, 2013, 01:31 PM   #4047
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On the note of terrorism--it is actually much easier to park a truck underneath an embankment or bridge. That kind of infrastructural damage takes longer to repair, and is more difficult to prevent.
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Old March 16th, 2013, 03:27 PM   #4048
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Is that standard practice in the USA?
In Europe and Japan a check-in prior to departure is very unusual, except for the trains passing throught the Channel tunnel and car shuttles.
Maybe I'm just thinking of the Channel (I'm reading a travel journal of some British guy - he keeps mentioning the 30 minute window).
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Old March 16th, 2013, 03:34 PM   #4049
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HSR in developed nations are valuable intercity infrastructure in which flow is must. A train that been high jacked will stop the flow for more then a day which becomes a huge economic loss. Same with bombing.
The same goes for a popular commuter lines and subways... Any control on HSR will just shift terrorist from it to other rail services - so we waste lot of money on controls, but it doesn't prevent the attack.
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Maybe I'm just thinking of the Channel (I'm reading a travel journal of some British guy - he keeps mentioning the 30 minute window).
That is the only high speed line in Europe with such a requirement, the reason being that border control between France and UK happens before boarding the train not after leaving it. Everywhere else 5 min is sufficient.
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Old March 16th, 2013, 06:15 PM   #4051
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Another important point to note is that unlike planes it is very difficult to hijack trains and pilot them to a safe haven or crash them onto skyscrapers to maximize damage. The train is always on a fixed route and getting security personnel to the train in case of an emergency is much easier. For planes any security lapse is difficult to overcome once the plane has taken off. Hence the need for stringent security checks.

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Old March 19th, 2013, 08:23 PM   #4052
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Station locations may determine high-speed rail's future in North Texas Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/03/14/4703315/locating-stations-may-determine.html#storylink=cpy

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ARLINGTON - The fate of a proposal to build a high-speed rail line connecting Dallas-Fort Worth to Houston may rest on whether North Texas leaders can agree on where to put a station.

The Regional Transportation Council about two years ago adopted a policy stating that if an entity wants to bring bullet trains to the region, there should be three stations -- one in downtown Fort Worth, one in either Arlington or the CentrePort area near DFW Airport, and another in downtown Dallas.

But in recent weeks word has begun to spread that a group known as Texas Central High-Speed Railway Llc., which is collaborating with Central Japan Railway Co. to bring high-speed rail to the region, wants to open only one station on North Texas' outskirts, in southeast Dallas County.

Five state senators responded by sending a letter to the Texas Department of Transportation urging Executive Director Phil Wilson to "facilitate" the location of that station at DFW Airport.

Running high-speed rail lines along the Texas 360 corridor and placing a station near DFW terminals A and B is the best way to ensure that trains traveling at 220 mph or more can serve the Metroplex without depending on freight railroad right of way, according to the letter.

"Without such a policy, TxDot may squander the great opportunity with which high-speed rail presents the state," the letter says. It was signed by Republican Sens. John Carona of Dallas, Jane Nelson of Flower Mound, Kelly Hancock of North Richland Hills, Robert Deuell of Greenville and Ken Paxton of McKinney.

"This decision is a one-hundred-year decision," the letter concludes, "and we must get it right."

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/03...#storylink=cpy
I really don't see why their needs to be more than one station in the Dallas Area it's not like people can't get to one station.
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Old March 19th, 2013, 08:49 PM   #4053
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Was that the Acela? I don't know of any other trains in the north east that break 100mph+.
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Old March 19th, 2013, 11:35 PM   #4054
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I really don't see why their needs to be more than one station in the Dallas Area it's not like people can't get to one station.
If they don't build a HSR station in the city center, will it at least keep the option open to do so later?
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The location of the station is important. In this case it really needs to be in the city centre or within easy access to it. The further and more inconvenient from the city it is located the less competitive it will be vs driving. The cities are relatively close to each other and there is a good highway connection between them. I suspect that vast majority of people who need to travel this route drive.

It the private consortium which intends to make money and the most valuable customer is a business traveler. To capture majority of that market business district to business district travel time should be under 2 1/2 h. With a beet root station in the Dallas area that will not be possible...
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Was that the Acela? I don't know of any other trains in the north east that break 100mph+.
No. If you look closely, that is a P42 lead amfleet train.
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Old March 20th, 2013, 02:41 PM   #4057
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The location of the station is important. In this case it really needs to be in the city centre or within easy access to it.
For the initial placements of HSR stations there are 3 logical locations: city centres, major business districts outside the city centre and major airports. That concept has been used in western Europe and Japan and is proven to work.
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For the initial placements of HSR stations there are 3 logical locations: city centres, major business districts outside the city centre and major airports. That concept has been used in western Europe and Japan and is proven to work.
But it is illogical to place all three stations on the same line.
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Old March 20th, 2013, 11:10 PM   #4059
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Would it be a big deal if the train stoped once outside the city at a major station/airport?
Like Central Station - City Airport - Nonstop - City 2 Airport - Central Station 2.
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Old March 20th, 2013, 11:14 PM   #4060
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Would it be a big deal if the train stoped once outside the city at a major station/airport?
Like Central Station - City Airport - Nonstop - City 2 Airport - Central Station 2.
It depends on the route, though adding a stop means at least 7 extra minutes between deceleration/layover/acceleration.

In any case, I think it is better to build some station NOT in a central area, but near some empty area that can be transformed into a secondary CBD. They can integrate stations in Dallas and Houston with their respective light rail projects. This would be positive for the real estate markets, for travelers and would also provide some serious long-term competition for business prime locations, opening some new areas for high-rises.
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