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View Poll Results: Should the US build or improve it's HSR network?
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Old January 24th, 2014, 09:25 AM   #4541
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Unlikely. Sparser population, almost pancake flat terrain, higher labor costs, and extremely cheap real estate will guarantee an entirely at-grade alignment.

It will be supremely ironic if Texas completes its triangle using true high speed rail when California still continues with its half-proposal.
Agree that elevated concrete portions will be kept at a minimum (if they are indeed more expensive than other viable options), though "being at grade" will still require secure fencing to keep out livestock and trespassers. Of course no grade crossings. I envision there will be many earth-filled embankments, as there is no worry about earthquake-induced subsidence, and underpasses for road traffic and farm/ranch access can be accomodated easily.
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Old January 25th, 2014, 05:15 PM   #4542
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I'm not even sure all those endless viaducts make sense in China, let alone in Texas. Nothing wrong with running at grade. Actually what's the terrain like in Houston-Dallas-San Antonio triangle? Just flat plain or are there some difficult features which would require tunnels or long bridges/viaducts.
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Old January 25th, 2014, 10:52 PM   #4543
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And here's another reason anyone who supports this so-called HSR from mexico to texas should be ashamed of themselves, this will bring more illegal immigrants, smugglers and terrorists here and that is treason against the united states.
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Old January 25th, 2014, 11:36 PM   #4544
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And here's another reason anyone who supports this so-called HSR from mexico to texas should be ashamed of themselves, this will bring more illegal immigrants, smugglers and terrorists here and that is treason against the united states.
Come on, does planes brings lot of illegal migrants? They are just to expensive...
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Old January 25th, 2014, 11:43 PM   #4545
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Come on, does planes brings lot of illegal migrants? They are just to expensive...
but this HSR would make our immigration problem that much worse, our border is broken.
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Old January 26th, 2014, 01:50 AM   #4546
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And here's another reason anyone who supports this so-called HSR from mexico to texas should be ashamed of themselves, this will bring more illegal immigrants, smugglers and terrorists here and that is treason against the united states.
Not anymore than an AeroMexico, American or United flight across the border will.
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Old January 26th, 2014, 02:45 AM   #4547
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Stop reacting to the obvious troll, guys.
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Old January 26th, 2014, 06:58 PM   #4548
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In light of the recent unproductive trolling, lets steer this thread in a different direction:
http://www.amtrak.com/ccurl/678/822/...ATK-14-011.pdf
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Old January 26th, 2014, 07:56 PM   #4549
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So is that technically high speed rail instead of higher speed rail?
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Old January 26th, 2014, 08:54 PM   #4550
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Not anymore than an AeroMexico, American or United flight across the border will.
reguardless this could all lead toward a north american union (which consists of open borders among the united states, canada and mexico) which is dead wrong and I Do not want a High Speed rail train going from mexico to canada.
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Old January 26th, 2014, 09:24 PM   #4552
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When someone says that the US has high speed rail I take it as hilarious because it's not true. US has the slowest rail travel ever. And even if it does have one high speed train, that doesn't change the fact that most people will ever get to use it anyway, they should just scrap whatever they use now and upgrade.
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Old January 27th, 2014, 08:03 AM   #4553
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So is that technically high speed rail instead of higher speed rail?
There plan seems to be to shift the Acela's over to Regional...and use the New Locos for Keystone and other Future Electric corridors like the Knowledge Corridor - New York/New Haven to Brattleboro , Downstate Delaware - New York/Wilmington to DelMarva peninsula , Cape Codder - New York to Hyannis & Newport via Providence , Empire Service - New York to Schenectady of course this is 10-15 years down the road. But its included in the Full build....some of these routes piggyback off other Rail plans like the South Coast Rail Network in Massachusetts or the Knowledge Corridor commuter rail...
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Old January 27th, 2014, 12:32 PM   #4554
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Old January 27th, 2014, 06:40 PM   #4555
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So is that technically high speed rail instead of higher speed rail?
If the newer, lighter locos help to increase the avg. speed (rather than just the top speed), then I would say yes.
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Old January 27th, 2014, 08:50 PM   #4556
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If the newer, lighter locos help to increase the avg. speed (rather than just the top speed), then I would say yes.
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It does seem like it'll increase average rail speeds, but as it says in the press release (and is currently the situation on most lines across the country), the limiting factor to passenger rail speeds in the U.S. isn't rolling stock, but track condition and layout.

New, faster-accelerating trains can use more of their performance envelope, but until the average travel speed is at least >100mph, it's higher-speed rail, not high speed rail.
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Old January 27th, 2014, 11:53 PM   #4557
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but this HSR would make our immigration problem that much worse, our border is broken.
Without wanting to feed the troll anymore. The UK border is one of the most heavily controlled in the world and Eurostar is one of the least troubling parts of it to police. Dedicated platforms are as easy to control as any airport arrivals hall.

A Monterrey-San Antonio connection might be feasible but only with a Texas network to connect it to. I can't see it being that popular a route though, only 28,000 annual passengers between the two cities by air and about 350,000 to Texas cities overall. Unless it gets the lions share of that market it will never happen.
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Old January 28th, 2014, 01:52 AM   #4558
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The much shorter Austin-San Antonio High Speed line would attract many more passengers than one to Mexico. There is currently only one truly feasible way to get between the cities and that's by road. Amtrak goes between the two cities but with one trip a day in each direction and much slower than car for some reason makes it more of a novelty ride than any real practical use. There are also no flights between Austin-San Antonio.

This has probably been posted before, here is the website proposing the Dallas to Houston route:

http://www.texascentral.com/
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Old January 28th, 2014, 02:42 AM   #4559
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The much shorter Austin-San Antonio High Speed line would attract many more passengers than one to Mexico.
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So many of these proclamations are more grounded in hype than actual potential to serve a market (where are the preliminary business plans that would pass initial muster with a financial institution??- they never seem to appear). Most proposals are, sorry to say, in the same league as previous plans for HSR in Laos or, for godsakes, Sudan(!).
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Old January 28th, 2014, 11:20 PM   #4560
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I think it is not the moment to talk about international HSR connections in the USA, because there is still no internal HSR connection at all.

In Spain, we first built the important internal connections. When the important ones were finished (for example, Madrid - Barcelona), some efforts could then be applied to international connections.

The problem of international connections is that two different countries need to agree in terms of which points to connect and more important, when.

For example, Spain connection with southwest France is going fast, but France is not doing its work at the other side of the frontier, so there is an important delay.
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