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Old November 1st, 2014, 04:47 AM   #4981
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That's like a Ferrari on a dirt road.
Is a high speed train, but not a high speed line.
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Old November 1st, 2014, 04:26 PM   #4982
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Honestly, I'm tierd of this crap about how the Acela is fake HSR.
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The European Union Directive 96/48/EC, Annex 1 defines high-speed rail as a set of three elements with precise criteria:
  1. Infrastructure: track built specially for high-speed travel or specially upgraded for high-speed travel.
  2. Minimum Speed Limit: Minimum speed of 250 km/h (155 mph) on lines specially built for high speed and of order 200 km/h (124 mph) on existing lines which have been specially upgraded. This must apply to at least one section of the line. Rolling stock must have a minimum speed of at least 200 km/h (124 mph) to be considered high speed.
  3. Operating conditions: Rolling stock must be designed alongside its infrastructure for complete compatibility, safety and quality of service.
Acela meets all three EU criteria and thus would be labeled HSR in Europe.
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Old November 1st, 2014, 04:51 PM   #4983
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Really THAT is the plan? WHY WOULDN'T THEY SAY THAT? That would get a lot of people in the northeast on their side
Well the FRA did host meetings which were heavily attended in certain cities.... LI recently got some Rail representatives so that might help to grease some wheels for the plan... The FRA plan is a collection of state plans and a private HSR plan. The New For Long Island Sound Tunnel comes up every few years and recently Rail has been injected into the Plan as giving the Island which is slowly dying Economically a boost.
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Old November 1st, 2014, 05:37 PM   #4984
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Under this plan, what is the travel time from NY to Washington like? I assume they will be not constructing new trackage which will probably not result in a true HSR line. since you just mention "NEW NEC" in NY-New England.
Well its a hybrid plan , all the proposals are. The New NEC in CT and MA uses Interstate ROW , Expanded Railroad ROW , Abandoned Preserved Railroads , and Utility Corridors so its a mix of True HSR and Faster Shared Trackage. It would bypass the slow Connecticut segments. The Bypasses in Philly and Baltimore would do the same. All would have stations along the routes... Theres a room for improvement in the times below...more so with the longer journey reductions.

from various Plans...HSR and Intercity / Regional Express

from New York Penn Station

5hrs to Bangor , Syracuse via Binghamton , Southern Tier of New York ,
4hrs to Buffalo , Pittsburgh , Portland ,Interior Vermont , Hyannis , Binghamton , Newport News / Norfolk
3hrs to Reading , Concord , Richmond , Providence
2hrs to Springfield , Worcester , Scranton , Allentown , Salisbury , Southern Jersey
110mins to Boston , Dover
96mins to DC , Albany ,Eastern Long Island , Harrisburg , New Haven
1hr Baltimore Penn / Charles Center, Ronkonkoma ,
45mins to Philadelphia 30th / Market East , Nassau Hub
25mins to Stamford , Trenton
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Old November 1st, 2014, 05:58 PM   #4985
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Westbound Acela Express at Newark Penn Station
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Well its a hybrid plan , all the proposals are. The New NEC in CT and MA uses Interstate ROW , Expanded Railroad ROW , Abandoned Preserved Railroads , and Utility Corridors so its a mix of True HSR and Faster Shared Trackage. It would bypass the slow Connecticut segments. The Bypasses in Philly and Baltimore would do the same. All would have stations along the routes... Theres a room for improvement in the times below...more so with the longer journey reductions.

from various Plans...HSR and Intercity / Regional Express

from New York Penn Station

5hrs to Bangor , Syracuse via Binghamton , Southern Tier of New York ,
4hrs to Buffalo , Pittsburgh , Portland ,Interior Vermont , Hyannis , Binghamton , Newport News / Norfolk
3hrs to Reading , Concord , Richmond , Providence
2hrs to Springfield , Worcester , Scranton , Allentown , Salisbury , Southern Jersey
110mins to Boston , Dover
96mins to DC , Albany ,Eastern Long Island , Harrisburg , New Haven
1hr Baltimore Penn / Charles Center, Ronkonkoma ,
45mins to Philadelphia 30th / Market East , Nassau Hub
25mins to Stamford , Trenton
10mins to Newark
If that ever happens and prices don't go through the roof that service will be extremely popular. There is no way to get from Manhattan to central parts of Washington DC in a time remotely approaching this. Driving is at least 3 1/2 hours assuming you even have a car.
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Old November 1st, 2014, 07:19 PM   #4987
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That's like a Ferrari on a dirt road.
Is a high speed train, but not a high speed line.
Yeah but it's a Ferrari on a racetrack between Boston and providence.
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Old November 1st, 2014, 07:26 PM   #4988
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Yeah but it's a Ferrari on a racetrack between Boston and providence.
The average I get is about 90 miles per hour. Much better than driving, but borderline for HSR. I guess it just about qualifies, but I wouldn't bring it up as some kind of great achievement.
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Old November 1st, 2014, 09:34 PM   #4989
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I would still really like to take the Aleca if I go to the East Coast. It looks like an awesome way to travel down the coast.
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Old November 1st, 2014, 09:41 PM   #4990
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It's not bad, I've taken it few from Philadelphia to NYC when I was living there but ticket prices are high. You can get from Philly to NYC by a combination of local trains for a fraction of a price and only ca 1 1/2 longer. Or at least it seemed too expensive on my limited income at the time...
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The average I get is about 90 miles per hour. Much better than driving, but borderline for HSR. I guess it just about qualifies, but I wouldn't bring it up as some kind of great achievement.
Between Boston, and Providence? I thought it traveled at at least over 100 mph.
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Old November 1st, 2014, 10:03 PM   #4992
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Between Boston, and Providence? I thought it traveled at at least over 100 mph.
I'm sure it does at some stretches, but I'm talking about the average speed. It's about 50 miles and the best travel time I find is 35 minutes.
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Also, there are some VERY fast stretches just south of Providence that lead into really slow stretches before the next stop in Connecticut.

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If that ever happens and prices don't go through the roof that service will be extremely popular. There is no way to get from Manhattan to central parts of Washington DC in a time remotely approaching this. Driving is at least 3 1/2 hours assuming you even have a car.
Well the Cannonball Seasonal service takes around 96mins running from NYP to Eastern LI on Summer Weekends. Its a highly popular service , as driving can take 3hrs.
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Also, there are some VERY fast stretches just south of Providence that lead into really slow stretches before the next stop in Connecticut.

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Yeah, the tri-state area need Robert Moses back to deal with the NIMBYs in the way, and straighten that line, for better speeds. Sure he may have been horrible at bulldozing urban communities, but most of what would need to be bulldozed in this case is really nothing more than tract suburban developments, and random country houses.
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Well its a hybrid plan , all the proposals are. The New NEC in CT and MA uses Interstate ROW , Expanded Railroad ROW , Abandoned Preserved Railroads , and Utility Corridors so its a mix of True HSR and Faster Shared Trackage. It would bypass the slow Connecticut segments. The Bypasses in Philly and Baltimore would do the same. All would have stations along the routes... Theres a room for improvement in the times below...more so with the longer journey reductions.

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3hrs to Reading , Concord , Richmond , Providence
2hrs to Springfield , Worcester , Scranton , Allentown , Salisbury , Southern Jersey
110mins to Boston , Dover
96mins to DC , Albany ,Eastern Long Island , Harrisburg , New Haven
1hr Baltimore Penn / Charles Center, Ronkonkoma ,
45mins to Philadelphia 30th / Market East , Nassau Hub
25mins to Stamford , Trenton
10mins to Newark
They can get 96mins to DC without straightening curves on the existing track? Are you sure? I thought they needed all new ROW for that kind of time. Aren't there curves outside the cities?
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They can get 96mins to DC without straightening curves on the existing track? Are you sure? I thought they needed all new ROW for that kind of time. Aren't there curves outside the cities?
C'mon, the track is not that curvy between NYC, and DC
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They can get 96mins to DC without straightening curves on the existing track? Are you sure? I thought they needed all new ROW for that kind of time. Aren't there curves outside the cities?
A few curves will be straighten , New Bypasses built that are straighter will stations in Philly and Bmore. Bridges and Tunnels will be replaced with higher speed versions...
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C'mon, the track is not that curvy between NYC, and DC
There are plenty of curves which prevent higher speeds and slow the train down, the curves are tighter than you'd find on the TGV. The reason why they got the Acela titlting train was to deal with curves better but speed still limited. They need new ROW seperate from freight and commuter trains and straighter track and better trains for true HSR.
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A few curves will be straighten , New Bypasses built that are straighter will stations in Philly and Bmore. Bridges and Tunnels will be replaced with higher speed versions...
glad to see that one of the areas most in need of work happens to be the area with littlest development.
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