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Old November 6th, 2014, 03:12 PM   #5061
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I know next to nothing about track dynamics and maintenance, but even at relatively low by world standards 110mph track, wouldn't the passage of multiple North American style 75~ 100 car freight trains (each weighing a total of several thousands, or perhaps tens of thosands of tons) damage track to the extent that maintenance would be cost prohibitive and/or result in lower speeds for the passenger trains (due to that damage from minimally maintained freight cars)?? Remember that N. American freight trains derail often, and sometimes catastrophically.
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Trains usually derail because of bad track alignment or track damage (often caused by bad maintenance to either track or rolling stock[flat spotted wheels!]). Note that NA is the only territory where the combination of high axle loads and high(er) speeds is used on the same track. That in itself isn't a problem, in fact a 300 km/h 16 ton/axle high speed train will probably cause higher dynamic track loads then a 30 mph 30 ton/axle freight train.

The real question is: Why would a the freight railroad build and maintain track to a higher standard then needed for their operation? It would only cost them extra. Given that reality it's already amazing that there is 110 mph track.
It seems to me that if passenger trains were allowed to attain speeds of 110 mph and have avg speed above 70 mph then they can be competitive with the highways.
The problem is however that freight trains going at speed above close to 100 mph will be disastrous for the track. Then freight trains have to run slower which creates the problem of managing traffic running at different speeds. Maybe clever alignment, scheduling and advance signaling can solve this problem. But will the Railroad companies entertain this idea.
Bringing the nationally and regionally important railroad lines under public control can help. But is there a long term FRA plan to bring more railroad lines under public control? And how politically sensitive would that be?
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Old November 6th, 2014, 05:48 PM   #5062
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Old November 7th, 2014, 12:37 AM   #5063
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Is there somewhere showing pictures of current construction in Fresno of the high speed rail line?
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Old November 7th, 2014, 04:46 PM   #5064
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Is there somewhere showing pictures of current construction in Fresno of the high speed rail line?
They have just begun demolition of vacant buildings, and acquiring land.

Earlier this year:


http://www.fresnobee.com/2014/06/24/...ar-madera.html
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Old November 7th, 2014, 07:38 PM   #5065
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They have just begun demolition of vacant buildings, and acquiring land.
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Yes, but that was 5 months ago.
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Old November 7th, 2014, 07:49 PM   #5066
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I've heard that the major problem now is the purchase of land with them having obtained only a bit more than half of what they need. That seems to also be the new tactic of rail opponents. Delay as much as possible and hope that funding runs out.

This project still has more than 50/50 chance of happening (between Madera and Bakersfield only), but it's not a done deal yet. Particularly with the results of recent elections. Republicans made huge gains and most of them are ideologically opposed to public transport.
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Old November 7th, 2014, 08:27 PM   #5067
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And here is an article which supports what I just wrote: http://www.bizjournals.com/sacrament...nt-domain.html

In fact it's even worse than I remembered. Only 106 parcels of land out of 822 needed have been acquired so far. This will make many lawyers rich regardless of whether HSR gets built or not.
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Old November 9th, 2014, 03:15 PM   #5068
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Old November 16th, 2014, 10:29 PM   #5069
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Old November 17th, 2014, 05:16 AM   #5071
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NEC Future Preliminary Alternatives Analysis
via Suffolk seems to be gaining steam
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Old November 18th, 2014, 11:34 PM   #5073
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Old November 19th, 2014, 05:29 AM   #5074
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Old November 20th, 2014, 05:41 AM   #5075
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NEC Future Preliminary Alternatives Analysis
via Suffolk seems to be gaining steam
http://www.necfuture.com/pdfs/2014_n...val_report.pdf
I favor the Delmarva plan because it is easier to build over on rural land there and DC needs a rail connection over to the Eastern Shore anyway because the bridge is awful in the Summer with all the peeps going to the beaches. I have no problems skipping Baltimore the dump. I also think the CT line is better than the LI line, because the LI line would require huge expenses to build that tunnel/bridge over the sound. CT is basically a wasteland anyway.

Also, it lists DCA airport as a connection. How would they get the HSR there? There is only metro access today. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

Also, JFK airport is listed there, which would perhaps be a good way to bring fast rail to that mess of an airport.

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I favor the Delmarva plan because it is easier to build over on rural land there and DC needs a rail connection over to the Eastern Shore anyway because the bridge is awful in the Summer with all the peeps going to the beaches. I have no problems skipping Baltimore the dump. I also think the CT line is better than the LI line, because the LI line would require huge expenses to build that tunnel/bridge over the sound. CT is basically a wasteland anyway.

Also, it lists DCA airport as a connection. How would they get the HSR there? There is only metro access today. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

Also, JFK airport is listed there, which would perhaps be a good way to bring fast rail to that mess of an airport.
CT is too steep , LI is flat and just requires a ROW upgrade to handle the trains....aside from the Tunnel. A New Cross Sound Crossing is badly needed....
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More on CASHR construction:
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Construction has yet to begin on the first stretch of California’s high-speed rail line through the central San Joaquin Valley. But once significant work does start, officials say the heavy equipment to be used will be some of the cleanest machinery available .

In a show-and-tell event Wednesday at an equipment-staging yard on Golden State Boulevard, near Highway 99 and Herndon Avenue in northwest Fresno, representatives of the California High-Speed Rail Authority, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, the state Transportation Agency and the San Joaquin Valley Air Pollution Control District touted how the latest-generation diesel machinery will help ease the effects of earth-moving and heavy construction on the Valley’s troubled air.
http://www.fresnobee.com/2014/11/19/...ines.html?rh=1
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CT is too steep , LI is flat and just requires a ROW upgrade to handle the trains....aside from the Tunnel. A New Cross Sound Crossing is badly needed....
You forgot the Delmarva option. The Delmarva is just open farm fields, flat as a pancake and there is loads of room to build a nice straight rail line. Sorry Baltimore.

You also didn't comment on my pointing out of the new airport rail links. DCA isn't going to happen. I'd be surprised if they could link the rail line to JFK. I suppose Jamaica station is doable. If they brought it directly into JFK though it would be like a European operation, where connecting flights would be often done by train.
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I bet Texas will have finished before California the rate it is going.
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I bet Texas will have finished before California the rate it is going.
Yes, that's because the Texas project has to pay dividends to its investors, while the CA project has its nose in the public trough.
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