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View Poll Results: Should the US build or improve it's HSR network?
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Old January 6th, 2015, 07:05 AM   #5201
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Old January 6th, 2015, 07:15 AM   #5202
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let alone the very fact that the U.S. will have high speed rail exponentially outweigh the cost.
The very fact that the US will have HSR, standing alone, exponentially outweighs the cost of HSR? Unless I am missing something, this absolutely makes no sense.
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Old January 6th, 2015, 07:36 AM   #5203
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The very fact that the US will have HSR, standing alone, exponentially outweighs the cost of HSR? Unless I am missing something, this absolutely makes no sense.

The sentence may not make a lot of sense but HSR does.

Perhaps what the comment alludes to is that once HSR is in place it will reduce the resistance across the country and quiet naysayers. It's a common pattern.
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Old January 6th, 2015, 10:38 AM   #5204
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They're breaking ground tomorrow in Fresno. What a boondoggle. CA HSR will be the GOP's most successful recruitment drive in state history. Yikes.


I love how people call anything clashes with their ideology a "boondoggle" and just leaves it at that. The CA HSR is a well designed system and will perform admirably. Conservatives will hate it but they hate anything you can't mount a gun rack on so who the hell cares what they think?
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Old January 6th, 2015, 04:27 PM   #5205
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I love how people call anything clashes with their ideology a "boondoggle" and just leaves it at that. The CA HSR is a well designed system and will perform admirably. Conservatives will hate it but they hate anything you can't mount a gun rack on so who the hell cares what they think?
It's too easy to dismiss HSR critics as gun-loving conservatives. A lot of transit-loving liberals are actually against CA HSR because they predict that it will doom other more worthy transportation projects. They're not against public transport - they're against questionable vanity projects.

Is Gavin Newsom a Second Amendment redneck?

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Old January 6th, 2015, 05:35 PM   #5206
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I do not consider CAHSR to be a vanity project in any way. It will fulfill a critical need for a new transport system between Central and Southern California.
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Old January 6th, 2015, 06:17 PM   #5207
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It's too easy to dismiss HSR critics as gun-loving conservatives. A lot of transit-loving liberals are actually against CA HSR because they predict that it will doom other more worthy transportation projects. They're not against public transport - they're against questionable vanity projects.

Is Gavin Newsom a Second Amendment redneck?

http://www.sfgate.com/politics/artic...-s-5246249.php

Totally agree with this post (regarding stereotypes). I cringed when I read that.

I think that although it may siphon some public transit funding from other projects I think in the end it is competing with a different kind of infrastructure: Airport expansion, highway expansion, and similar large scale infrastructure. Of course it is much harder to make comparisons like this. In the end I would not be surprised if it actually spurred more local transportation projects.

I don't know if people realize how much air traffic this has the potential to replace. And the kind of air travel it will replace is higher paying business travellers.

Yes, i'm sure countrysiders will be against it but think about it... Why wouldn't they. They derive little personal benefit from it.

Even in Japan, there has been opposition from those in the countryside. It is what killed the Shinkansen to Narita airport.

Recently newer lines have extensive tunnelling and noise hoods over rails. These are partly because of mountainous terrain and partly because of strict noise bylaws.

This also makes projects way more expensive. I. Japan this is not a problem as the costs are typically recouped because the system is so integrated and almost all major highways are tolled making driving less convenient and giving driving a cost that reflects the costs of infrastructure.
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Old January 7th, 2015, 06:02 AM   #5208
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It's too easy to dismiss HSR critics as gun-loving conservatives. A lot of transit-loving liberals are actually against CA HSR because they predict that it will doom other more worthy transportation projects. They're not against public transport - they're against questionable vanity projects.

Is Gavin Newsom a Second Amendment redneck?

http://www.sfgate.com/politics/artic...-s-5246249.php
First off this isn't a zero sum game. There is plenty of money for all these projects if people were willing to pay for them. California is awash with money. The people just don't want to pay for their dream projects.

Secondly, this is a worthy project. The most worthy. It is, in fact, the single most important infrastructure project this nation has undertaken since the Panama Canal. Without it California has no future because if it is too expensive to build HSR it will definitely be too expensive to build the $180 billion in highway and airport expansion that will be needed in place of it. Not building anything is only an option if you have a hard on for dystopian fantasies.

Thirdly, I'm aware that there are shortsighted people in both parties (see Newsome). But while only some Liberals stupidly oppose this project pretty much all conservatives do because....again, stupidity. Thankfully there are enough smart people stewarding this project through so that society doesn't collapse completely. Think of the project backers as those in Ralph's clan on the island while those that oppose it are with Jack. Progress and altruism vs destructive shortsighted hedonism.
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Old January 7th, 2015, 06:05 AM   #5209
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Old January 7th, 2015, 01:00 PM   #5210
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Is that it? From Railway Gazette:

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Groundbreaking launches California high speed line construction
07 Jan 2015







USA: California High-Speed Rail Authority held a groundbreaking ceremony at noon on January 6 to officially ‘commemorate the start of sustained construction’ of the state’s high speed line. During the event, Governor Jerry Brown and other dignitaries signed a ceremonial section of rail at the site of the future Fresno station.

‘We now enter a period of sustained construction on the nation’s first high-speed rail system - for the next five years in the Central Valley and for a decade after that across California,’ said High-Speed Rail Authority board Chairman Dan Richard. ‘This is an investment that will forever improve the way Californians commute, travel, and live. And today is also a celebration of the renewed spirit that built California.’

CHSRA plans to have trains capable of 320 km/h running between San Francisco and the Los Angeles basin in under 3 h by 2029. The line would eventually be extend to Sacramento and San Diego, totalling 1 280 km with up to 24 stations

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Old January 7th, 2015, 09:05 PM   #5211
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California HSR will use Shinkansen-type high-speed trainsets?
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Old January 7th, 2015, 09:26 PM   #5212
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Wooden ties on HSR? That's... odd.
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Old January 7th, 2015, 09:37 PM   #5213
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California HSR will use Shinkansen-type high-speed trainsets?
They even not chosen train model, so saying that 'HSR will use Shinkansen-type high-speed trainsets' is too early

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Wooden ties on HSR? That's... odd.
This is not standard HSR ties, it's just using these ties during the even to mark connection with old railways. Concrete will win
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Old January 7th, 2015, 11:37 PM   #5214
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Wooden ties on HSR? That's... odd.
And they will also use painted 4 meter long tracks and weld them together...

I sure hope this day will mark the date when HSR became a thing in the USA.
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Old January 8th, 2015, 05:48 AM   #5215
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A most worthy response.

If anyone wants to actually talk nuts and bolts about the project I've read all the EIR documents to this point.

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Wooden ties on HSR? That's... odd.
Those are just a display for the ceremony. Picked by the PR department to look more like a classic railway so that people aren't confused. Most Americans have never seen modern railway ties intended for high speed use.
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They even not chosen train model, so saying that 'HSR will use Shinkansen-type high-speed trainsets' is too early
Whatever trainset they use, that colour scheme has to go.
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If anyone wants to actually talk nuts and bolts about the project I've read all the EIR documents to this point.
Those documents provide for the salvation of mankind. Without them the world will devolve into anarchy and Armageddon. They are truly the most important products of civilization since the Rosetta Stone.
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Can't we all just get along?
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Those documents provide for the salvation of mankind. Without them the world will devolve into anarchy and Armageddon. They are truly the most important products of civilization since the Rosetta Stone.
Even if you're being sarcastic, I would seriously consider them quite important. Certainly more important than the Rosetta Stone, given that they provide for the future rather than the past.
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This is going to be "Fresno Area Rapid Transit" for the first century of its existence, maybe longer.
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