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Old January 13th, 2015, 06:16 PM   #5261
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Which state was that?
I think he's referring to Wisconsin, probably.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 06:33 PM   #5262
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Without a Barkersfield- Los Angeles basin link, it won't be possible to travel from SF to LA even on mixed tracks. There is absolutely no space on the freight lines to accommodate passenger traffic out of the basin. The Tehachappi traverse is very slow and utterly busy with freight trains already. The BNSF line over Cajun pass is also extremely busy.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 06:59 PM   #5263
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Without a Barkersfield- Los Angeles basin link, it won't be possible to travel from SF to LA even on mixed tracks. There is absolutely no space on the freight lines to accommodate passenger traffic out of the basin. The Tehachappi traverse is very slow and utterly busy with freight trains already. The BNSF line over Cajun pass is also extremely busy.
A new route over Tehachapi is planned, and will be built as soon as money is available, I expect. The difficulty comes once you get over the mountains into the LA basin.
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Old January 14th, 2015, 01:53 AM   #5264
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What's the plan in the interim? To run HSR via the Tehachapi loop?
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Old January 14th, 2015, 02:49 AM   #5265
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What's the plan in the interim? To run HSR via the Tehachapi loop?
Nothing. It's only going to be a few years. Improved buses, I guess. But the Central Valley market is growing already.
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Old January 14th, 2015, 10:20 PM   #5266
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We could also see changes as the project picks up steam. It could be that once it's being built, the people will demand it to be built out. The key thing for this project is just STARTING it.

It's a shame that it won't be super-awesome on Day 1, but hopefully it will eventually be a shining beacon for other places in the States... like for example, the Midwest which already has a decent commuter network (read: Amtrak acts as a feeder).

Ironically, HSR has the potential to make Amtrak and commuter rail MORE competitive and viable! Why? Amtrak no longer has the pressure to keep good services on intercity lines and can focus on more profitable commuter runs, as well as feeding HSR stations.

If you look at Japan, HSR has helped make private rail companies like Kintetsu, Keihan, Nankai, Keisei and others both profitable and competitive. Look at the largest private operator: Kintetsu. Their network feeds three major HSR stations in Osaka, Kyoto and Nagoya:



Unfortunately, the US has more of a quarterly culture, both in business and building infrastructure. It's hard to get business to take a losses on quarters for big gains a few years from now. Investors are more interested in the here and now and what you've done for me lately.

It's even harder to get something approved and started that will span over several elections.
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Old January 15th, 2015, 04:32 AM   #5267
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When will the sections from Fresno to Bakersfield be complete? I read that the Texas HSR line could be complete by 2021, but I haven't heard anything for a while on the progress. Any updates?
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Old January 15th, 2015, 04:50 AM   #5268
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Amtrak no longer has the pressure to keep good services on intercity lines and can focus on more profitable commuter runs, as well as feeding HSR stations.
I suppose you mean Amtrak "commuter" to be high frequency short distance intercity runs i.e. Chicago-St. Louis or Detroit-Chicago, and "intercity" to be the loss-making long distance transcontinental runs . At least in the U.S., no one makes money running the typical AM suburb to city and PM city to suburb services that constitute the majority of commuter operations.
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Old January 15th, 2015, 06:18 PM   #5269
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There's more to the US than Fresno.
Yes. That is probably why the high speed lines connect lots of cities.

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That I'm not pessimistic about HSR in the US in general, just this particular HSR in particular.
Uh huh. And yet you seem to have some large gaps in your knowledge about it.

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What's the plan in the interim? To run HSR via the Tehachapi loop?
No. The plan is to not run high speed trains until the tracks reach LA. Once that is done a limited HSR service will run from LA to Merced until the tracks reach San Jose. At that point the entire SF to LA trip can be made using upgraded tracks at the very ends.

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When will the sections from Fresno to Bakersfield be complete? I read that the Texas HSR line could be complete by 2021, but I haven't heard anything for a while on the progress. Any updates?
Fresno to Bakersfield will be complete by 2017. By then the Bakersfield to Palmdale segment will be under construction too.
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Old January 15th, 2015, 08:18 PM   #5270
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No. The plan is to not run high speed trains until the tracks reach LA. Once that is done a limited HSR service will run from LA to Merced until the tracks reach San Jose. At that point the entire SF to LA trip can be made using upgraded tracks at the very ends.
That's not very smart if true. Why not let Amtrak use the new section from Madera to Bakersfield? It would allow huge time savings for that service and prove that infrastructure works. The gap between the first section opening and reaching LA will be at least 5 years I think. Other option would be to run Fresno-Bakersfield service say 10 times a day in each direction just as a trial.
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Old January 15th, 2015, 09:14 PM   #5271
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Amtrak and high speed rail will likely use vastly different systems. How would they test the trains if Amtrak is running on the lines? On paper it sounds like a good idea but in real terms it isn't really practical. There is a lot of testing and work on the tracks and pieces that are system wide and require access to the tracks.
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Old January 15th, 2015, 09:38 PM   #5272
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Amtrak and high speed rail will likely use vastly different systems. How would they test the trains if Amtrak is running on the lines? On paper it sounds like a good idea but in real terms it isn't really practical. There is a lot of testing and work on the tracks and pieces that are system wide and require access to the tracks.
There is a lot of testing, but not 5 years of constant testing (usually about a year) and that would be done before anything runs on it. Spending billions and then not using it would be PR disaster. They should definitely run something on it if for no other reason than to demonstrate to still sceptical public how fast and convenient it is. The gauge is identical so I'm sure Amtrak could be adapted to run on it, just not as fast.
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Old January 15th, 2015, 10:53 PM   #5273
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Great i really like it thanks for share..
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Old January 16th, 2015, 01:11 PM   #5274
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That's not very smart if true. Why not let Amtrak use the new section from Madera to Bakersfield? It would allow huge time savings for that service and prove that infrastructure works. The gap between the first section opening and reaching LA will be at least 5 years I think. Other option would be to run Fresno-Bakersfield service say 10 times a day in each direction just as a trial.
Actually, the plan is to let Amtrak use the tracks (except for when trainset testing and qualifications is taking place) until the tracks are converted to high speed only. In fact that is why the ICS is being staged the way it is. So that the tracks at either end can be tied into the BNSF line that currently carries the San Joaquin.
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Old January 16th, 2015, 06:31 PM   #5275
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If nothing else this will allow the San Joaquin to have a dedicated ROW!
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If nothing else this will allow the San Joaquin to have a dedicated ROW!
Exactly! I suppose San Joaquin trains are capable of at least 80 mph. On a dedicated track that will improve travel time and reduce delays significantly.
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Old January 16th, 2015, 11:37 PM   #5277
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The EDM F59PHI locomotives Amtrak California currently uses on the SurfLiner and San Joaquin are capable of 110 MPH (180 KmPH) and the new Siemens Charger locomotives are Capable of 125 MPH (200 KmPH). So ya if they are only able to build Fresno to Bakersville it won't totally in vain. Though I am total hoping for the full build with Termini in San Fransisco, Sacramento Anaheim, and San Diego!
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Of course a full length needs to be built for the project to make any financial sense, but stuff like this is a valuable add-on.
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Old January 17th, 2015, 03:58 AM   #5279
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Won't the heavy conventional stock wreck the track?

Also, won't this lock the system into using low-platform stock when the N700 is favorite, and is high-platform?

And doesn't the San Joaquin make more stops than the HSR will?
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I believe that the route for the HSR line is pretty much based off the I San Joaquin and then some, as far the new track is concerned I'm pretty sure it would be stronger than the regular track as to be resistant to the seismic vibration created by trains at that speed. As for the platforms...you got me there
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