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Old January 17th, 2015, 04:22 AM   #5281
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No, I'm asking if the San Joaquin makes more stops along the Central Valley then the HSR.

So between Merced and Bakersfield, the San Joaquin makes X many stops, and how many does HSR make?

What will happen to those stops that are bypassed?
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Old January 17th, 2015, 04:34 AM   #5282
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Ya they are they are gonna be bypassed though they will still be serviced by the San Joaquin. Also I spoke too soon on the platform issue, if the CHSRA chooses the N700 it really doesn't make sense to run the San Joaquin on the line, but if they choose trains made by Siemens, Bombardier, Alstom or Talgo it somewhat makes sense since those trains are made for low platform boarding. BUT the Authority doesn't want low platform trains and whether or not those companies will decide to make high platform trains? Your guess is a good as mine!!
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Old January 17th, 2015, 04:47 AM   #5283
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Isn't part of the reason they are low boarding because they're just simple locomotive driven cars? The N700 cars are EMUs. This distributes the weight of the train allowing you to construct lighter track structures as they don't need to support heavy locomotives. It also means you have superior acceleration. France's newest AGV is the same as they've seen the benefits and advantages that the Japanese trains have.
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Old January 17th, 2015, 05:23 AM   #5284
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You are most definitely right about the EMUs, after that things get a little more woogy. In the debate of High v. Low platforms it seems to be a matter of preference, tradition or money, modern High Speed EMUs in Italy, Switzerland, Spain, and Germany all use low platforms while a lot of rail lines in the northeast have high platforms that only serve push/pull trains. So ya it gets kinda confusing.
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Old January 17th, 2015, 09:16 AM   #5285
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Would this count as a "high speed rail" project?

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-30849171
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Old January 17th, 2015, 09:56 AM   #5286
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San Joaquin is unlikely to still run in the Central valley after full opening of California HS rail. Here is San Joaquin route with all stops:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Joa...an_Joaquin.svg

HSR between Merced and Bakersfield will have stations in Fresno and possibly a new station at Kings/Tulare close to Hanford. That leaves out only Corcoran and Wasco. Those two small towns (25k each) will have to switch to buses I think.

One issue I hope they do take care off is that conventional trains from Sacramento and HS line meet in some station (Merced?) so that passengers can conveniently change from one service to another.
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Old January 17th, 2015, 08:48 PM   #5287
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Old January 17th, 2015, 09:53 PM   #5288
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high speed rail in USA is a bad joke. Already 5 years ago I said they should have started building in the part Los Angeles - Central Valley. If they had done that, they could have something working. The way it currently it, they might build the valley part and then run out of funds and leave an useless skeleton.
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they might build the valley part and then run out of funds and leave an useless skeleton.
Or they might not. Given the irremediable congestion at the airports serving flights connecting northern and southern California, I think HSR on that route is inevitable. Even if the built segment of the presently-planned HSR route languishes for a while, I think the odds are overwhelming it will eventually be completed. Of course, the longer it is delayed, the more it will ultimately cost.
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Old January 18th, 2015, 08:55 AM   #5290
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high speed rail in USA is a bad joke. Already 5 years ago I said they should have started building in the part Los Angeles - Central Valley. If they had done that, they could have something working. The way it currently it, they might build the valley part and then run out of funds and leave an useless skeleton.
I get where you're coming from, and while I agree that is a scary thought, I would like to point out that it was exactly this kind of fear decades ago that have caused the delays you are complaining about now.

Although I find some details a little fishy with CHSRA (such as one of the bids coming in at 1,234,567,800; come on, seriously?), overall I feel that they are trying their best to reach out to the affected communities. It just seems a pity that most of the affected residents, instead of trying to be cooperative with the Authority and work together to find a solution, choose rather to try waste time and money fighting a war of attrition that benefits no one.




It's one thing to be an NIMBY, and sue for adequate compensation/protection. That I can understand and completely sympathize with. It's another to tell HSR supporters to "Go eat sh*t and die" and to drag to the Supreme Court with the sole intention of killing the project.
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Old January 19th, 2015, 12:07 AM   #5291
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I get where you're coming from, and while I agree that is a scary thought, I would like to point out that it was exactly this kind of fear decades ago that have caused the delays you are complaining about now.

Although I find some details a little fishy with CHSRA (such as one of the bids coming in at 1,234,567,800; come on, seriously?), overall I feel that they are trying their best to reach out to the affected communities. It just seems a pity that most of the affected residents, instead of trying to be cooperative with the Authority and work together to find a solution, choose rather to try waste time and money fighting a war of attrition that benefits no one.




It's one thing to be an NIMBY, and sue for adequate compensation/protection. That I can understand and completely sympathize with. It's another to tell HSR supporters to "Go eat sh*t and die" and to drag to the Supreme Court with the sole intention of killing the project.
I Think this is all a plan for the UN Agenda 21 to be pushed down our throats, people need to wake up.
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I Think this is all a plan for the UN Agenda 21 to be pushed down our throats, people need to wake up.
Not this Agenda 21 Bullshit again...
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I Think this is all a plan for the UN Agenda 21 to be pushed down our throats.
This is a good thing. Why are you saying it like it's bad?
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Because he's Crazy! like Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Ron Paul, Aynn Rand, Charles and David Koch Kinda Crazy!
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Guys the New World order is obviously going to enslave us all with agenda 21. Alex Jones told me so
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I Think this is all a plan for the UN Agenda 21 to be pushed down our throats, people need to wake up.
Before you gripe about something like this, how about you sit down, take a deep breath, and read the actual document with an open mind. Then decide if it has to be opposed.
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Tell me this is sarcasm.
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Old January 19th, 2015, 10:36 PM   #5300
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Tell me this is sarcasm.
it's true and it is no conspiracy theory, it is a fact, they are kicking people off their lands for this scheme, thank god Silver Swordsman and sekelsenmat
are the only ones besides me that is speaking truth.
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