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Old February 10th, 2015, 06:37 PM   #5361
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I'd say the issues include the cultural climate. General reluctance to use various forms of mass transit due to currently or historically bad quality and convinience, perceived freedom/privacy of a car and the assumption that these forms will perpetually stay the way they are currently (saying improvements can/never exist for train-bus services). Include anti-government/anti-tax groups and various conspiracy theorists and it is surprising anything gets done at all.
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Old February 17th, 2015, 05:06 AM   #5362
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I'd say the issues include the cultural climate. General reluctance to use various forms of mass transit due to currently or historically bad quality and convinience, perceived freedom/privacy of a car and the assumption that these forms will perpetually stay the way they are currently (saying improvements can/never exist for train-bus services). Include anti-government/anti-tax groups and various conspiracy theorists and it is surprising anything gets done at all.
You just about hit the nail on the head. It is hard to get anything done here in terms of mass transit when this is relevant to about one-half of American males.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puWVMYwKUtM

There is even one for women.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/opinion/br...061994ac9.html

Our culture has built itself upon anti-government feelings and general distaste for any significant infrastructure project due to the risk that it will go way over budget and as a result, enslave the entire country to China (who only actually owns about 10% of our debt. Americans own more than half!) Than take into account the staggering number of local governments that you have to get permission from. If it runs through a town for 10 feet, you have to get permission from that town, county, and state, in addition to the federal government. It takes many years, even decades, to propose and get approvals for any project, due to the powerful voice of the NIMBY's who will complain if a park was donated to their neighborhood with all construction and maintenance funding covered.

New Jersey has 565 individual municipalities and 21 counties. Many of these towns are only about 1 square mile. New York has 62 cities, 932 towns, and 551 villages. Every state is plagued by this problem, and there are also many more boroughs and Census Designated Places that have control over their neighborhoods, and don't even get me started on Neighborhood Associations. Those groups are so strict, they will measure your grass with a ruler to ensure that its lack of regular mowing will not affect your neighbors property value. The freedom of speech that we hold near and dear can be a pain in the ass when it comes to infrastructure planning.
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Old February 17th, 2015, 07:14 AM   #5363
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another reason to get out of these so-called free trade agreements.

let's build high speed rail for made in america, not china.
The US doesn't have a "free trade" agreement with China..
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Old February 17th, 2015, 01:37 PM   #5364
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After all, has heavy construction been going on Central Valley, or not? I mean major earth works, bridge foundations etc.
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Old February 17th, 2015, 04:41 PM   #5365
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After all, has heavy construction been going on Central Valley, or not? I mean major earth works, bridge foundations etc.
No...just demolition. The first thing part of any works in Construction Package 1 will be that bridge, if I remember correctly. They've been testing pilings for the last few months, and staging for that.

There's really no rush, as CP-2 and 3 haven't even been awarded yet. I'm not expecting we'll see anything at all until late summer.
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Old February 18th, 2015, 03:15 AM   #5366
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Updated Map of the Intercity & High Speed Rail Plans for Illinois


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Old February 18th, 2015, 03:23 AM   #5367
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Hasn't WI governor signed laws prohibiting any form of high-speed high in that state?
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Old February 18th, 2015, 03:30 AM   #5368
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This is an organization not a government agency who made this map, unfortunately!
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Hasn't WI governor signed laws prohibiting any form of high-speed high in that state?
No, he just didn't want to waste state funds on what would surely be an endless money pit for Wisconsin taxpayers.

Fiscal conservatives (not synonymous with Republicans) are not against high-speed rail. What they're against is the use of taxpayer dollars to subsidize it. Then again, the philosophically consistent position would be to also end subsidies for highways and airports.
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Old February 18th, 2015, 06:18 AM   #5370
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Old February 18th, 2015, 05:20 PM   #5371
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No, he just didn't want to waste state funds on what would surely be an endless money pit for Wisconsin taxpayers.

Fiscal conservatives (not synonymous with Republicans) are not against high-speed rail. What they're against is the use of taxpayer dollars to subsidize it. Then again, the philosophically consistent position would be to also end subsidies for highways and airports.
Which is a fancy way of saying that they are, in fact, against high-speed rail specifically, because trains are for socialists, but cars and planes for for Individuals.
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Old February 18th, 2015, 07:16 PM   #5372
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The US doesn't have a "free trade" agreement with China..
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The status of permanent normal trade relations (PNTR) is a legal designation in the United States for free trade with a foreign nation.
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We don't have a specific agreement, but in 2000, we did grant China permanent normal trade relations.

Alright, back to topic.
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Old February 19th, 2015, 02:56 AM   #5373
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No, he just didn't want to waste state funds on what would surely be an endless money pit for Wisconsin taxpayers.

Fiscal conservatives (not synonymous with Republicans) are not against high-speed rail. What they're against is the use of taxpayer dollars to subsidize it. Then again, the philosophically consistent position would be to also end subsidies for highways and airports.
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Old February 19th, 2015, 08:43 AM   #5374
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Our culture has built itself upon anti-government feelings and general distaste for any significant infrastructure project due to the risk that it will go way over budget
I don't know if the USA suffers from the same, but in the Netherlands it works kind of like this:
If you want to start a significant infrastructure project you create several variants, let's call them A, B and C in order of increasing budget. C is your optimal situation with an outrageous budget that will never get approved. B is the cost reduced version of C that you're most likely to end up with. A is the bare minimum you really need to execute the project, but is pretty much sub standard in every way.

It is standard practice that project A gets approved, only because its the cheapest, and work gets started. Along the way, way past the point of no return, because of protests and advancing insights more and more elements from B get added to the project so the project easily exceeds it's original budget A.

Another factor: big projects take a lot of time. If something costs 100% today it may well cost 120% by the time you actually build it. These costs are omitted to get the project approved.

Remember that the people approving these projects (politicians!) usually are total layman were it comes to infrastructure projects and continue to fall into this ABC-trick. And those that do realise are usually part of the ignored minority, that don't buy the sales pitch.
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Old February 19th, 2015, 08:11 PM   #5375
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In Texas, there is a private company working to connect Dallas and Houston with a HSR and hopefully this will connect down to San Antonio and Austin.
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Old February 22nd, 2015, 02:51 AM   #5376
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Same as Florida, and I wish them both the best of luck in Doing so
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Old February 22nd, 2015, 05:16 PM   #5377
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I too wish those companies good luck in building a HSR line.
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Old February 23rd, 2015, 07:33 AM   #5378
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I think the signaling and other technologies are also really important to a potential bid, no?

More than the actual price of the rolling stock, I think they'll be more keen to choose a bid that has the potential to offer a "complete" package.



In any case, the way JRE is handling through running seems to have caught the agency's eye (and, going off of the previous attempt to coordinate procurement with Amtrak, I wonder if they weren't aggressively pursuing the E5/6 trains from the outset).




I don't think the e5/e6 have been running for long enough. The 5 year cut off is to weed out specific bids. Remember that the n700-I is not the same n700 that is running in Japan. It has borrowed components from newer Shinkansen train sets like the e5/e6 series.

Japanese train makers don't rest on their laurels and the n700-i isn't the n700 series built in 2007 for the Tokaido/Sanyo line. Max Speed is 330km/h instead of 285km/h. I saw a listing of other differences somewhere online before but can't find it now.

I'd be surprised if the Korean ktx trains stood a chance. They're essentially reskinned TGV and there would likely be patent challenges from the French. While it is challenging to fight a Korean company in Korea, fighting one in the USA is a different matter (Unless you're Apple that is. Ha! )

China is too big to really hit with patent infringement suits. They would just shrug it off.

This, in my opinion, is a two man race and I'd give a slight lead to the Japanese due to the general good relationships between the nations, the timing (Japan's never needed other countries to put its trains but will be almost built out in Japan in a decade or two), and Japan's financial state needing all the help it can get. In short, great product — highly motivated seller. They also have been doing EMUs for much much longer which is what all the manufacturers are moving to.
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Old February 23rd, 2015, 08:06 AM   #5379
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A private company’s plan to build a high-speed rail line connecting Dallas and Houston came further into focus Tuesday as the company announced its preferred route for the multibillion-dollar project.

Texas Central Railway said it has informed the Federal Railroad Administration that it prefers to build tracks dedicated to the project along land reserved for high-voltage electric transmission lines, a route that the company had dubbed the “Utility Corridor.”

In a news release, the company called the Utility Corridor the “superior alternative" to a second route that hewed closely to existing right-of-way owned by BNSF Railway, a national freight rail company based in Fort Worth. Texas Central officials had previously said that route would only work if the company could come to an agreement with BNSF. A request to BNSF was not immediately returned Tuesday.

Texas Central is working with a Japanese train manufacturer and operator to debut the company's bullet train technology in Texas and cut the travel time between Houston and Dallas to 90 minutes. If the project moves forward, J.R. Central would sell its trains to the company and play an advisory role on the system’s operations. Texas Central officials have said they hope to begin operations by 2021 and plan to do so without U.S. subsidies.
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Looks like chose the straightest route. Winner winner chicken dinner.
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This, in my opinion, is a two man race and I'd give a slight lead to the Japanese due to the general good relationships between the nations, the timing (Japan's never needed other countries to put its trains but will be almost built out in Japan in a decade or two), and Japan's financial state needing all the help it can get. In short, great product — highly motivated seller. They also have been doing EMUs for much much longer which is what all the manufacturers are moving to.
You forgot two details: No matter which manufacturer is chosen it will be a custom design, because no existing design will meet the specific requirements.

Because there is no reason the train couldn't be built in the USA itself with US made parts The buy American laws require that to happen (There is even something like a buy Californian law?). So no matter which manufacturer is chosen, the train will be built in the USA. In this case that's a good thing, because that means they will have to compete on the merits of the train design itself, not so much on materials and labour.
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