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Old April 12th, 2015, 04:40 PM   #5521
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Sec. 131.012. EMINENT DOMAIN. A corporation chartered for the purpose of constructing, acquiring, maintaining, or operating lines of electric railway between municipalities in this state for the transportation of freight, passengers, or both freight and passengers may:
(1) exercise the power of eminent domain with all the rights and powers granted by law to a railroad company; and
(2) enter, condemn, and appropriate land, right-of-way, easements, or other property of any person or corporation to acquire:
(A) right-of-way on which to construct and operate lines of railway for the acquiring corporation; or
(B) sites for depots or power plants.

Added by Acts 2009, 81st Leg., R.S., Ch. 85 (S.B. 1540), Sec. 2.03, eff. April 1, 2011.


It's not simply acting on behalf of the state. Any company whose chartered purpose is to construct an electric railway between two cities in the State of Texas has the legal authority to conduct eminent domain takings for right-of-way. TCR is not acting at the state's behest.
I'm not talking about the actual plan being an undertaking on the state's behalf, I'm pointing out that a private entity in some instances can act at the state's behest in the exercise of the state's police power (which is why the conditional uses for this authority is delineated in legislation).

In other words, instead of having the State condemn the land, the police power, which is vested solely in the State, is being extended to the private entity to undertake it, on behalf of the State, conditional upon the State's approval (again, delineation of this conditional use).
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Old April 13th, 2015, 04:41 AM   #5522
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It's actually kinda sad, my first real HSR ride was on the Acela a little over 8 years ago, at a time where China has zero HSR service, now eight years later there are no comparison between the two countries. The shortsightedness of some American politicians are truly something.
Is Acela considered true HSR?

Also, this is kinda China getting around the fact that it doesn't have any significant national industry for civilian aircraft, so it decided to make itself an expert in a competing technology.

It's also probably best for China too, since if everyone in China flew, the greenhouse gas emissions would be enormous.
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Old April 13th, 2015, 05:18 AM   #5523
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It's probably best for everybody too, for the exact same reason
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Old April 13th, 2015, 08:58 AM   #5524
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Is Acela considered true HSR?
This quote from the UIC website answers that question with a yes:
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At all events, high speed is a combination of all the elements which constitute the “system”: infrastructure (new lines designed for speeds above 250 km/h and upgraded lines for speeds up to 200 or even 220 km/h, some worked with tilting trains, some not), rolling stock and operating conditions.
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Old April 13th, 2015, 06:40 PM   #5525
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Is Acela considered true HSR?

Also, this is kinda China getting around the fact that it doesn't have any significant national industry for civilian aircraft, so it decided to make itself an expert in a competing technology.

It's also probably best for China too, since if everyone in China flew, the greenhouse gas emissions would be enormous.
Acela is HSR as it travels at speed over 200km/h on an upgraded conventional line.

To your second point, the US doesn't have an industry making regional airliners serving majority of the potential HSR riders, and a large chunk of the domestic mainline routes are served by foreign made aircraft (A320). Since almost everyone in the world is paying roughly the same price for airplanes I don't see that as an incentive for one country to prefer one mode of transportation over air travel.
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Old April 14th, 2015, 01:18 AM   #5526
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It reduces imports (if done right), and it cuts greenhouse emissions.
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Old April 14th, 2015, 02:28 AM   #5527
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It's also a better long term strategy to move lots of people between regions.
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Old April 18th, 2015, 10:50 PM   #5528
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Old April 20th, 2015, 12:43 PM   #5529
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maybe when air travel becomes too expensive for the average person, serious thought will be put into railways, especially high speed
And just when it looks like it will be built - CaHSR - the Oil / Air lobby will drop the prices.

This is the rut we are stuck in because of profit motive scuppering deployment of available technology just because of greed.

At times I think that Jack Fresco is not insane
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Old April 21st, 2015, 05:11 PM   #5530
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meanwhile in Japan...

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Japan's maglev train sets world record: 603 kph

Tokyo (CNN)It's a bird -- It's a plane -- It's an insanely fast Japanese bullet train.

A Japan Railway maglev train hit 603 kilometers per hour (374 miles per hour) on an experimental track in Yamanashi Tuesday, setting a decisive new world record.

A spokesperson said the train spent 10.8 seconds traveling above 600 kilometers per hour, during which it covered 1.8 kilometers (1.1 miles).

By contrast, the fastest train in the United States, Amtrak's Acela Express, is only capable of 241 kilometers per hour (150 miles per hour), though it usually plods along at half that speed.
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Old April 22nd, 2015, 04:43 AM   #5531
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UNITED STATES | High Speed Rail

Beat me to it. Just think... This is on a mere 42.8km of track. It has to consistently accelerate and brake in that distance.

The TGV run in 2007 (which was quite an accomplishment as well) managed 574km/h downhill on a 140km track with engine and line modifications, taking 70km to reach that speed.

Rumour has it that they are going to try for 667km/h in the next few years so they can achieve the operating margin of 75% design speed.
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Old April 22nd, 2015, 05:26 AM   #5532
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It may take awhile. They still have around 10 years to achieve it.
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Old April 22nd, 2015, 12:08 PM   #5533
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Northeast Corridor agencies debut five-year capital improvement plan
Various regional transit and government agencies earlier earlier this month released a five-year capital plan for the Northeast Corridor (NEC), which runs from Washington, D.C., to Boston.

Amtrak, the U.S. Department of Transportation and eight commuter-rail agencies are among those that have signed onto the plan to address the region's aging infrastructure. The plan covers a wide swath of improvement projects, from basic repairs, such as replacing old ties, to major rehab efforts on the region's bridges and tunnels.
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Old April 23rd, 2015, 08:34 AM   #5534
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8 Critical Rail Projects That Amtrak Can't Afford

A major rail advisory commission presents a sobering new wish list for the Northeast Corridor over the next five years.

Eric Jaffe @e_jaffe Apr 21, 2015

Portal Bridge North
Additional Funding Needed: $1.02 billion

Yes—that is billion with a "b." But reconstructing the Portal Bridge over the Hackensack River in northeastern New Jersey is worth it. The century-plus-old span, finished in 1910, creates "one of the most persistent reliability challenges" on the entire Northeast Corridor, according the commission. That train speeds must drop to 60 mph from 90 mph in this section isn't the worst of it; the bridge has to open for water traffic about 100 times a year, with the resulting delays averaging 15 minutes. And when there's a malfunction—as occurred 15 times in 2014—the delay hits 72 minutes a pop.

The good news is designs are in hand. The bad news is the money to realize them is not.
Read the Rest here : http://www.citylab.com/commute/2015/...afford/391038/

There is some slightly good news that wasn't in the article. The Pelham Bay Bridge will be replaced if NY state goes ahead with Penn Station access for Metro North along with a few Interchange upgrades and Catenary replacements. The Connecticut Bridges are part of a large 10 year , 100 billion state investment plan which is gaining some support in Connecticut. Some Federal Funding will be needed , but its more like 50/50 or 60/40 with some of the projects. The Gateway Project includes the Portal Bridge , i'm not sure why they chose to separate them. The 2 Really big concerning Projects are the Gateway and Baltimore Tunnels.... Everytime there's a failure on those 2 structures the whole corridor feels the ripple affect. DC Union Expansion plan relies on Private funding for some or most of its plan...as it includes capping the yards for redevelopment. The Fast Redevelopment cycle of that region , means that the project could be fully funded sometime over the next 5 years.
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Old April 23rd, 2015, 12:06 PM   #5535
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Beat me to it. Just think... This is on a mere 42.8km of track. It has to consistently accelerate and brake in that distance.

The TGV run in 2007 (which was quite an accomplishment as well) managed 574km/h downhill on a 140km track with engine and line modifications, taking 70km to reach that speed.

Rumour has it that they are going to try for 667km/h in the next few years so they can achieve the operating margin of 75% design speed.
It was downhill? I had no idea the French cheated with that record. Disappointed.
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Old April 23rd, 2015, 09:58 PM   #5536
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It was downhill? I had no idea the French cheated with that record. Disappointed.
I wouldn't say they "cheated" but it certainly wasn't anywhere near representative of what real-world speeds would be (currently 320km/h on that section of track). But it is what it is. An experimental train running at the limits of steel-wheels on steel-rails. It's still quite an accomplishment for the TGV. They really pushed the limits.

Essentially, they heavily modified a V150 trainset and tightened the catenary wires for high speed running.

The record they broke in 1990 of 515km/h is closer to reality as there weren't really much in the way of modifications to line or trains. The track was in part designed to break records and it also reached the record along a long 2.5% downhill grade.

I don't think you can really say going downhill is "cheating" in any case. Trains go up and down grades and it's natural to try to reach record speeds on the downhills.

What I think it more impressive in this case is that the Japanese train did this on a 42.8km piece of track! 1.8km of that was at top speed and I assume it only took about 10-15km to reach top speed... considering the old record was on an 18km track. THAT, to me, is the key takeaway from all of this. The acceleration is just unmatched and the more time you can spend at top speed, the greater the time-savings.
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Old April 25th, 2015, 12:24 PM   #5537
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"train"

When they do 603 km/h on the Tohoku Shinkansen we can start talking about trains again...

Good maglev record though
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Japanese consortium to propose Kawasaki Heavy bullet trains for high-speed line in California





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Old April 25th, 2015, 07:53 PM   #5539
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When they do 603 km/h on the Tohoku Shinkansen we can start talking about trains again...

Good maglev record though
sorry, but the Maglev is a train...
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Old April 25th, 2015, 08:09 PM   #5540
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So Kawasaki is Building a train that looks like the E7/W7 Series Shinkansen but has the Speed capabilities of the N700 or E5/E6? I think I like this train!
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