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Old June 23rd, 2009, 03:34 PM   #541
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True, night trains don't need HSRs but I think one should think about them. Is there btw the chance of a high speed night train? With the growing European network it should be possible to really go as far as ~ 3000-4000 km in one night. Why aren't there any plans in this regard. Are there technical limitations or are the companies just not creative enough?
Today, you can cover cca 1200km overnight in a night train in Europe in CNL/EN network, and this effectively takes you from one end to the other (Vienna to Hamburg, Berlin to Paris, Kopenhagen to Basel in example). There are no HSR sleepers, as HS lines (where they are exclusively HSL and not mixed-traffic) are usually closed for maintenance overnight, hence night trains do use classical line.

There is however a plan for overnight Moscow-Berlin using Talgo variable-gauge rolling stock which today takes minimum of 27hrs to be brought down to more reasonable 16-18hrs (though it passes through several countries so it depends on all of them - Germany, Poland, Belarus and Russia to build up the line, so it's a question when it would become HSL all the way). It would connect all 4 capitals plus important cities en route, hence such HSL would be usefull both for international and national networks.
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Old June 23rd, 2009, 04:15 PM   #542
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True, night trains don't need HSRs but I think one should think about them. Is there btw the chance of a high speed night train? With the growing European network it should be possible to really go as far as ~ 3000-4000 km in one night. Why aren't there any plans in this regard. Are there technical limitations or are the companies just not creative enough?

In HSL, the night period (4-5h) is used for the maintenance of the track, wich must be carried every day, and therefore, its not suitable to have ordinary trains running in that period.
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Old June 24th, 2009, 01:51 AM   #543
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Thats a pity. Why does it need such frequent and long maintenance time? What exactly is done during that time? Is it cleaned?

With a bit of smart planning I'd guess one or two night highspeed trains should be possible though. But maybe that does not pay of. But I would have loved to see that concept being realized.
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Old June 24th, 2009, 09:43 AM   #544
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Old June 25th, 2009, 02:15 AM   #545
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"Liberals tend to romanticize trains (because the French use them) and conservatives tend to disparage them (because the French use them)."
I love this quote from that Time article: http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...906025,00.html
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When they will start building it?
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The should make a 180Mph+ New York - Chicago route!
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I love this quote from that Time article: http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...906025,00.html
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Thats a pity. Why does it need such frequent and long maintenance time? What exactly is done during that time? Is it cleaned?

With a bit of smart planning I'd guess one or two night highspeed trains should be possible though. But maybe that does not pay of. But I would have loved to see that concept being realized.
The DAILY night maintenance is the price to pay for the H in HSR.


200km/h and you "check" monthly (or even don't check at all)

250km/h or up and you "check" daily or suffer the consequences.

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So its mostly just checking that everything is ok, simply because the risk gets to high that it may not? Well, I can understand that.
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So its mostly just checking that everything is ok, simply because the risk gets to high that it may not? Well, I can understand that.
Not just checking but also maintance of the rail such as grinding out marred surface of the rail at corners due to friction between rail and wheel.

Even at 200Km/h it requires extensive maintance or the trains risks becoming derailed.
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You think us Americans have the stomach for that can of maintenance? Ever been on an interstate lately? How's about a plain old NY sidewalk?
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Old June 27th, 2009, 04:22 AM   #553
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I love this quote from that Time article: http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...906025,00.html
Liberals like HSR because they are pragmatic and can discern the clear benefits and advantages this form of transportation has over air and automobile travel.

Conservatives bash France because they are a bunch of ******* morons who couldn't locate that country on a map if their lives depended on it.
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You think us Americans have the stomach for that can of maintenance? Ever been on an interstate lately? How's about a plain old NY sidewalk?
It's either maintenance or the passengers plays a constant game of Russian roulette.

Seriously, neglected rail on HSR tracks is a recipe for derailment where the question is not "IF" but "When" will it derail.
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Old June 27th, 2009, 08:37 PM   #555
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Liberals like HSR because they are pragmatic and can discern the clear benefits and advantages this form of transportation has over air and automobile travel.

Conservatives bash France because they are a bunch of ******* morons who couldn't locate that country on a map if their lives depended on it.
Hey, it was a joke. Take it easy
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Old June 28th, 2009, 09:04 AM   #556
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The only way this whole plan is possible is if Sec. LaHoode doesn't delay the transportation bill and creates some real reform in transportation.
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Old June 28th, 2009, 04:16 PM   #557
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We know that HSR for Los Angeles-NY is not competitive but Washington-New York or Portland-Vancouver, Houston-Dallas or San Francisco-San Diego are very interesting.
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Liberals like HSR because they are pragmatic and can discern the clear benefits and advantages this form of transportation has over air and automobile travel.

Conservatives bash France because they are a bunch of ******* morons who couldn't locate that country on a map if their lives depended on it.

Liberals are obviously also open minded and tolerant of the views of those who disagree with them, LOL.


To the topic. HSR has a great and immediate benefit from Boston to DC, that corridor should be developed into a true HSR corridor as soon as practical and financially feasible. Of course, under this administration ANYTHING is suddenly financially feasible so I guess we could start building it right now. Let's not build it just to build it, or build it just because France has it (where is France anyway?), let's build it where it makes sense and go from there. Japan and France didn't wake up one morning and suddenly have HSR networks, it took time. Let's start with the busiest rail corridor we have, transform it and see if it works. It likely will and then we can go from there.
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Old July 2nd, 2009, 09:45 AM   #559
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i agree^ the NEC should be priority and deserves the first 220mph+ track, not some retarded STL connection to chicago or whatever other HSR projects that politicians propose to seem "forward thinking"
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Well they do not have the plans or studies right now and have not gotten there act together. Whoever has there act together and best proposals first will receive the funds.
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