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Old May 10th, 2015, 03:49 AM   #5581
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And Soon to be a 160 mph zone
So Excited , it gives a nice breeze when it passes by...which was more then welcome...
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So Excited , it gives a nice breeze when it passes by...which was more then welcome...
If only they could upgrade the entire thing between NYC and Philli, instead of like a third of it though (Either way, still an amazing step).
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If only they could upgrade the entire thing between NYC and Philli, instead of like a third of it though (Either way, still an amazing step).
They should upgraded it down to Tacony....before the twists and turns of North Philly & from New Brunswick up to Elizabeth.
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Old May 10th, 2015, 04:28 AM   #5584
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They should upgraded it down to Tacony....before the twists and turns of North Philly & from New Brunswick up to Elizabeth.
That would honestly be amazing!!!!
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Old May 10th, 2015, 04:36 AM   #5585
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That would honestly be amazing!!!!
I don't know why they picked such a small starting segment , when it could have been larger...
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Old May 10th, 2015, 06:50 PM   #5586
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Forgive me if this issue was handled in this thread already, but what is the current state of train regulations? Do they still have to use tank on tracks or are reasonable train designs allowed nowadays? Is this only a problem if the tracks are shared with freight rail?

These "safety" regulations are (were?) so out of the world I hope the got rid of them or at least get rid of them soon. I wonder if there is also some aviation regulation which demands airplanes to be built in a way that they do not bend or disintegrate in the event of a crash ...
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Old May 11th, 2015, 03:43 AM   #5587
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Here is a report on the start of construction of the California High Speed project.

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Its an Expensive mistake , given Amtrak's plan would reduce travel times to 80mins....and Cost significantly cheaper...then the Maglev. Why don't the Japanese invest in that cash cow? Why are they pushing for the more expensive plan which they will not fully pay for...
80 minutes by when though? 2060? Amtrak is just too slow. Our "Hi-Speed Rail" from our capital to our largest city is WORSE than what I find here in Italy traveling from some two-bit provincial town to another two-bit provincial town. It's embarrassing. And all we get are glossy reports from Amtrak to improve travel times. But the savings are miniscule. 10 minutes saved by 2025 or something like that. It's rather infuriating.
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Old May 12th, 2015, 08:58 PM   #5589
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80 minutes by when though? 2060? Amtrak is just too slow. Our "Hi-Speed Rail" from our capital to our largest city is WORSE than what I find here in Italy traveling from some two-bit provincial town to another two-bit provincial town. It's embarrassing. And all we get are glossy reports from Amtrak to improve travel times. But the savings are miniscule. 10 minutes saved by 2025 or something like that. It's rather infuriating.
In the end, I don't think it will end up being that much cheaper, to be honest. Especially when you factor in operational cost, additional trainsets required etc. The Japanese REALLY want to sell their MagLev technology and they have a GREAT relationship with the US already and want to further strengthen ties given the historically bad relationship with China and the difficulty it is for Japan to enter that market.

Building tunnels is actually roughly equivalent to building above ground or on viaducts (and cheaper through urban areas) especially if it's possible to do what Japan did and pass a law that doesn't require you to compensate landowners if you're 40m underground (that's REALLY deep). Tunnels just take longer to build.

Additionally, the MagLev will be automated (no driver), safe, unobtrusive, and completely change travel in the area in a way that HSR just can't do at speeds of 300km/h.

As for cost, it's telling that JR Central has stated that a MagLev ticket will cost Ą1000 ($10) more than a regular ticket. They are obviously going to realize considerable cost savings on operation.
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Any news about the Amtrak NextGen High-Speed Rail project between Washington D.C. and Boston?

http://www.amtrak.com/ccurl/453/325/...t-Corridor.pdf
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Old May 13th, 2015, 01:55 AM   #5591
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Any news about the Amtrak NextGen High-Speed Rail project between Washington D.C. and Boston? http://www.amtrak.com/ccurl/453/325/...t-Corridor.pdf
As of now, all the scoping for the corridor is being pushed forward by the "NEC Future" study. The actual alternative routes should come out, soon with a bit more info.

For now, we just have some vague idea of their findings: integration of commuter service, route alternatives, etc.

The Amtrak plan doesn't have any legs...the FRA seems interested in pre-emtping any major capital projects so that any improvements made by a single agency has "knock-on" effects (i.e. that it's coordinated and implemented as part of the big picture plan).
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Hum, I understood.

I've been seeing the NextGen project... This new HSR tunnel below Manhattan is unnecessary! Nowadays, every work below Manhattan is costing a lot of money. In my opinion, It's better to upgrade East River Tunnels and North River Tunnel for HSR, with a new two-lane "tube" for LIRR/NJ Transit commuter trains. Amtrak Empire Service and Lake Shore Limited could go back to Grand Central Terminal.

Also, some long-distance Amtrak trains (Silver Star, Silver Meteor, Crescent...) could move their terminal for Hoboken Terminal, integrated with PATH (the ticket would include a PATH ticket to Manhattan). So, Penn Station could receive the HSR, NJ Transit/LIRR commuter trains and the Amtrak Maple Leaf/Adirondack.
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Hum, I understood.

I've been seeing the NextGen project... This new HSR tunnel below Manhattan is unnecessary! Nowadays, every work below Manhattan is costing a lot of money. In my opinion, It's better to upgrade East River Tunnels and North River Tunnel for HSR, with a new two-lane "tube" for LIRR/NJ Transit commuter trains. Amtrak Empire Service and Lake Shore Limited could go back to Grand Central Terminal.

Also, some long-distance Amtrak trains (Silver Star, Silver Meteor, Crescent...) could move their terminal for Hoboken Terminal, integrated with PATH (the ticket would include a PATH ticket to Manhattan). So, Penn Station could receive the HSR, NJ Transit/LIRR commuter trains and the Amtrak Maple Leaf/Adirondack.
The New Tunnel Under Manhattan & East River is needed for the FRA LI Route along with added capacity. I would rather have Empire Service rerouted to Grand Central rather then Lake Shore Limited. I think Long Distance should stay at Penn Station. Any Future HSR lines up to Montreal or Western NY / Ontario should leave out of Grand Central. Hoboken Would be good idea for Long Distance Trains , the station itself needs to be High Level Platformed and raised 5ft above the ground...to Flood Proof it. It floods even during Sudden Down Pours...
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80 minutes by when though? 2060? Amtrak is just too slow. Our "Hi-Speed Rail" from our capital to our largest city is WORSE than what I find here in Italy traveling from some two-bit provincial town to another two-bit provincial town. It's embarrassing. And all we get are glossy reports from Amtrak to improve travel times. But the savings are miniscule. 10 minutes saved by 2025 or something like that. It's rather infuriating.
2030.... Welcome to the sad state of the US Infrastructure... I Believe theres a backlog of 1.8 trillion in projects just for the Northeast alone which could easily be done in 10 years with political will. But no one really wants to do anything about it....although I have a feeling New England will just do it eventually. Connecticut , Rhode Island , Massachusetts & Maine seem to be dumping 10s of billions into their road & rail projects over the last few years with plans for 100s of billions more.
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How bad is the derailment that happened recently in Philly?
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The New Tunnel Under Manhattan & East River is needed for the FRA LI Route along with added capacity. I would rather have Empire Service rerouted to Grand Central rather then Lake Shore Limited. I think Long Distance should stay at Penn Station. Any Future HSR lines up to Montreal or Western NY / Ontario should leave out of Grand Central. Hoboken Would be good idea for Long Distance Trains , the station itself needs to be High Level Platformed and raised 5ft above the ground...to Flood Proof it. It floods even during Sudden Down Pours...
Another option could make all long-distance Amtrak trains toward South (Crescent, Silver Star, Silver Meteor, Palmetto, Carolinian) to finish their journeys in Washington Union Station. Passengers of these trains to Philadelphia and New York could make a "free" transfer to HSR to complete their trips, including the Washington-NY section fare on the ticket.

Really, Hoboken Station has serious flooding problems. I remember that this station was badly damaged because Sandy hurricane.
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How bad is the derailment that happened recently in Philly?
50 Injuried...Mutiple cars off the tracks , a few cars are tipped over...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_7270804.html
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Another option could make all long-distance Amtrak trains toward South (Crescent, Silver Star, Silver Meteor, Palmetto, Carolinian) to finish their journeys in Washington Union Station. Passengers of these trains to Philadelphia and New York could make a "free" transfer to HSR to complete their trips, including the Washington-NY section fare on the ticket.

Really, Hoboken Station has serious flooding problems. I remember that this station was badly damaged because Sandy hurricane.
I thought about that , but I think that hurt the services... Having it Terminate in Hoboken would preserve and even boost Ridership.
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It looks like a new Cities Sprinter locomotive was involved in the Philly Derailment.
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Such a shame to hear, and odd, considering I was on that same line a few months ago.

Either way, let's hope that the death toll is capped at where it is now, and that everyone else onboard be given any help needed.
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