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Old May 13th, 2015, 07:01 AM   #5601
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50 Injuried...Mutiple cars off the tracks , a few cars are tipped over... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_7270804.html
Thx! This sad event also shows the need for a separated HSR (of some kind) line on the NEC.
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Old May 13th, 2015, 07:06 AM   #5602
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Such a shame, especially considering that I just saw some articles discussing the dire situation of the NEC infrastructure. I'm actually quite upset that it has to come to an incident like this to bring any attention to needed repairs, such a shame.
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Old May 13th, 2015, 08:00 AM   #5603
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Thx! This sad event also shows the need for a separated HSR (of some kind) line on the NEC.
As well as to segregate passenger and freight rail. Just take a look at this:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ladelphia.html
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Old May 13th, 2015, 08:03 AM   #5604
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It is on a segregated area though
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Right. Though as bad as it was, it was very close to being even worse.

Here is Cities Sprinter 601, the locomotive involved in this incident, negotiating a curve in Maryland last year:


http://www.railpictures.net/viewphot...=528482&nseq=2
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Old May 13th, 2015, 03:23 PM   #5606
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I'm seeing in Brazilian TV news about Amtrak derailment in Philadelphia. It was a Northeast Regional, right? The HSR is a fallacy as the Northeast Corridor is not fully modernized.
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Old May 13th, 2015, 09:56 PM   #5607
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It is on a segregated area though
Segregated or dedicated HSR ROW isn't the issue regarding this accident, by the acccounts of the local papers here in NYC, it is being reported the locomotive was traveling 100mph in a curve with speeds restricted to 50 mph.
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Old May 13th, 2015, 10:01 PM   #5608
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This source speculates that the train was doing over 100 mph where it should have done 50. Aren't both the NEC and the ACS-64 fitted with the ACSES PTC system that is supposed to protect against this?
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Old May 13th, 2015, 11:29 PM   #5609
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Its pathetic that right after this crash $250mil in funding was cut from amtrack. It boggles my mind why these politicians dont want to invest in this country's infrastructure
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Old May 14th, 2015, 12:11 AM   #5610
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I live near Philadelphia, and I can tell you that that curve at Frankford Junction is notoriously sharp. Another accident at roughly the same spot killed more than 70 people in 1943.

This curve was put into place in the mid 19th Century. Originally, trains from Trenton to Philadelphia ran north to south through the area and terminated on the Northeast side of Center City (around Front and Montgomery). Then, the railroads became consolidated under the Pennsylvania Railroad, which terminated on the West side of the city. To connect its lines, the PRR built the Connecting Railroad running East-West from ZOO Interlocking (just north of 30th Street Station) across the Delair Bridge to connect to the lines to southern New Jersey. New York trains were routed through a connecting curve at the new Frankford Junction to run west through North Philadelphia station and past ZOO to Broad Street Station/30th Street Station (or out the Main Line).

This sharp curve has been seen as a problem spot for decades. The PRR bought land for a Frankford Cutoff that would ease the curve for NYC-Philadelphia trains in the 1930s, but nothing was built. The land was transferred to Amtrak along with the NEC in 1975, and still nothing was built. As far as I know, Amtrak STILL owns the land. Diagonal property lines can be seen from roughly B and Venango Streets to Adams Ave and Torresdale Ave in Philadelphia (along the south side of Erie Ave and Torresdale Ave).

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I'm seeing in Brazilian TV news about Amtrak derailment in Philadelphia. It was a Northeast Regional, right? The HSR is a fallacy as the Northeast Corridor is not fully modernized.

Not sure what you're talking about as a fallacy here. The upgrade projects will bring 160-170 mph service here.
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Old May 14th, 2015, 12:12 AM   #5611
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Its pathetic that right after this crash $250mil in funding was cut from amtrack. It boggles my mind why these politicians dont want to invest in this country's infrastructure
What's this about? Haven't heard anything about this.
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Not sure what you're talking about as a fallacy here. The upgrade projects will bring 160-170 mph service here.
Well, when I said "fallacy", I wanted to refer to the HSR construction plan in the NEC, with a new tunnel below Manhattan and a new line through Hartford.

I think the HSR works could be concentrated more in the Philadelphia area, with the construction of a new access to the 30th Street Station. Nowadays, the access to 30th Street Station is busy, sharp and very slow. It is a real "bottleneck" for the trains.

Amtrak could change the NextGen HSR project, eliminating the tunnel in East Manhattan and including a crosstown tunnel in Philadelphia.
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The locomotive involved in this derailment is one of three first Cities Sprinter models ever made: the 601.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amtrak_Cities_Sprinter
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Old May 14th, 2015, 01:45 AM   #5614
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This...
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Old May 14th, 2015, 05:43 AM   #5615
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Is it possible to transfer NEC (infrastructure and Acela Express/Northeast Regional/Keystone rolling stock) for private sector?

I think Amtrak could be reorganized by the following steps:

1. Privatization of NEC, Detroit-Chicago line and Hiawatta Service

2. Transfer of regional services for some States (ex.: Lincoln Service for Illinois Dept. of Transportation and Heartland Flyer for Texas Dept. of Transportation)

3. End of operation of some long-distance trains such as Silver Meteor and Sunset Limited

4. Partnership with the private sector for the operation of other long-distance trains, with outsourced crew.
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Is it possible to transfer NEC (infrastructure and Acela Express/Northeast Regional/Keystone rolling stock) for private sector?

I think Amtrak could be reorganized by the following steps:

1. Privatization of NEC, Detroit-Chicago line and Hiawatta Service

2. Transfer of regional services for some States (ex.: Lincoln Service for Illinois Dept. of Transportation and Heartland Flyer for Texas Dept. of Transportation)

3. End of operation of some long-distance trains such as Silver Meteor and Sunset Limited

4. Partnership with the private sector for the operation of other long-distance trains, with outsourced crew.
The NEC is their cash cow...without it , they would have no revenue at all. Some of the Midwestern Services can be taken or by the State or Private companies. The Sunset Limited would do better if it were restored to Orlando & Extended to Miami.... The Crew costs wouldn't change as private pays the same...
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I believe that the engineer had a sudden illness.
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The Mayor is an ******* , and shouldn't have said that.... We don't know why he was speeding , maybe the train malfunctioned which has in the past...
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A Brazilian newspaper said that the train had not an automatic emergency stop system and this tragedy would be avoided with this equipment.
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Old May 14th, 2015, 09:03 PM   #5620
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It's the truth, and now the deadline to install this technology will probably be delayed, even though it is desperately needed, also Amtrak needs improvement. It needs more funding, it needs better rolling stock, it needs to expand it's trackage rights. I needs so many things but because it doesn't service 148 congressional districts it becomes an easy punching bag.
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