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Old May 15th, 2015, 06:39 AM   #5621
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Is it possible to transfer NEC (infrastructure and Acela Express/Northeast Regional/Keystone rolling stock) for private sector?

I think Amtrak could be reorganized by the following steps:

1. Privatization of NEC, Detroit-Chicago line and Hiawatta Service

2. Transfer of regional services for some States (ex.: Lincoln Service for Illinois Dept. of Transportation and Heartland Flyer for Texas Dept. of Transportation)
Amtrak basically NEEDS the NEC to live.

All of the others listed here (and then some) are basically the states contracting out to Amtrak-the states are pitching in to buy new rolling stock on some of these lines regularly.

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3. End of operation of some long-distance trains such as Silver Meteor and Sunset Limited

4. Partnership with the private sector for the operation of other long-distance trains, with outsourced crew.
The Silver Meteor and its sisters are some of the most heavily traveled (they connect the NEC to Florida) of all the long-distance trains.

Most of the trains operating today are the ones that represent the bare minimum. Any "superfluous" operations have been cut in the decades past. Amtrak has been very much a bare-bones skeleton from day one.
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Old May 15th, 2015, 05:31 PM   #5622
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Amtrak it's a public company in the stock exchange?
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Old May 15th, 2015, 05:44 PM   #5623
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UNITED STATES | High Speed Rail

That the nec is needed for Amtrak is telling. Long distance routes need to be cut. If there is still a market for these routes let private industry take them on. In BC via rail cut one of the routes through the Rockies. A private company took up the challenge and now runs a profitable business called the Rocky Mountaineer.

No one relies on these long distance routes. As much of a train as I am I think the money sucking routes need to go. Keeping them around is just pure romance.
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Old May 15th, 2015, 06:08 PM   #5624
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Amtrak it's a public company in the stock exchange?
No.

Amtrak is maintained by fareboxes recovery (79% of Its costs are covered by fare), taxes and partnership with some States (North Carolina, Oregon, California and Illinois).
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Old May 15th, 2015, 06:33 PM   #5625
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That the nec is needed for Amtrak is telling. Long distance routes need to be cut. If there is still a market for these routes let private industry take them on. In BC via rail cut one of the routes through the Rockies. A private company took up the challenge and now runs a profitable business called the Rocky Mountaineer.

No one relies on these long distance routes. As much of a train as I am I think the money sucking routes need to go. Keeping them around is just pure romance.
Rocky Mountaineer is a premium-fare tourist operation for sightseeing purposes. It does not stop at the communities along the route.

It is a total folly to think that "no one relies on these long-distance routes".

For many of the communities along the way these trains are the ONLY means of public transportation available either nearby or sometimes for hundreds of miles. Only a fraction of the people riding these trains are doing so from end-to-end. Most of the tickets are from one endpoint to a midpoint, or vice-versa.
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Old May 15th, 2015, 10:46 PM   #5626
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Old May 15th, 2015, 10:52 PM   #5627
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Great article. Thanks for sharing.
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A Brazilian newspaper said that the train had not an automatic emergency stop system and this tragedy would be avoided with this equipment.
Rodalves Portugal é um pequeno e pobre país mas tem instalado o sistema CONVEL na rede principal o qual impede que o comboio ultrapasse a velocidade permitida.
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Rodalves Portugal é um pequeno e pobre país mas tem instalado o sistema CONVEL na rede principal o qual impede que o comboio ultrapasse a velocidade permitida.
This is an English-language thread.

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Old May 16th, 2015, 01:08 AM   #5630
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Translation:

Portugal is a small and poor country but it has installed CONVEL system on the main network which prevents the train from exceeding the permitted speed.
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The signals of NEC are old?
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The signals of NEC are old?
Some of them, yes. There are signals from the 1930s or earlier.
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The signals of NEC are old?
Very, very old.

Much of current infrastructure in NEC was implanted by Pennsylvania Railroad and Penn Central.
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Old May 16th, 2015, 06:21 AM   #5634
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Would it be a solution if Uncle Sam subsidized Penn Central? They are part of the American Heritage.
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Old May 16th, 2015, 07:39 AM   #5635
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Would it be a solution if Uncle Sam subsidized Penn Central? They are part of the American Heritage.
Penn Central was formed in 1968 from the merger of the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central Railroad (two of the giants in the NE USA) in a desperate attempt to stave off bankruptcy on both of their parts. In 1970, it entered the biggest corporate bankruptcy in history up until that point.



The two systems had massively redundant infrastructure and bureaucracy, decades of underinvestment already plagueing them, incompatible computer systems, subsidized competition, and over-regulation. Essentially, PC was in a death spiral from the day it was born.

Here's a movie that Penn Central made in 1974, literally BEGGING Congress for help:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHmyYqfNYnc



Finally, the US Congress acted, and took over the Penn Central, the Reading, the Erie-Lackawanna, and a few other Northeastern railroads that were falling apart, creating a new subsidized government agency known as ...

CONRAIL!!!!



It was at this time that Amtrak got ownership of the NEC as part of the deal creating Conrail.

After dropping minor lines and disposing of the remaing attached commuter/regional passenger service to whatever public agencies were willing (or just abandoning it), and getting a massive infusion of cash to get going again, Conrail left government control to become a profitable privately-owned business. It was bought out by CSX and Norfolk Southern back around 1996/97.

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Old May 16th, 2015, 03:12 PM   #5636
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Thanks for your explanation. It would be good if the brands of PRR and NYC can be reused and the trains painted in the classic livery.
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Penn Central was a mess. This company was a merger of three completely different railroads and It had no good administration.

In the other hand, Penn Central and other railroads were victims of Interstate Commerce Commision, in which the companies didn't have full freedom to set their own fares. If Staggers Act was approved in the early 1970's, Penn Central could save from its bankruptcy and be in operation today.
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Some of them, yes. There are signals from the 1930s or earlier.
Omg it's so old for a industrialized nation.
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Omg it's so old for a industrialized nation.
Well at least they replaced most of the bulbs with LEDs a few years ago...
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Well at least they replaced most of the bulbs with LEDs a few years ago...
that's a start
but I find it odd that the NEC doesn't have positive train control (on all sections) when it is the busiest rail corridor probably on the entire continent
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