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Old June 3rd, 2005, 11:26 PM   #41
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I would have thought a line down each coast would be perfect.
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Old June 3rd, 2005, 11:50 PM   #42
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Too bad, I always have hoped for high speed rail from Calgary to Edmonton.
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Old June 4th, 2005, 03:48 AM   #43
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What did Bombardier expect with N.A. gov'ts spending billions of dollars on shiny new/refurbished airports.
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Old June 4th, 2005, 06:05 AM   #44
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In Europe gas is twice the price and the cities more densly populated. Upgradeing busy lines to higher speeds and capacity is great but in Canada for example, I'd rather see that $3bil for urban transit.
In stead of carrying a few thousand people a day it could carry millions.
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Old June 4th, 2005, 06:05 AM   #45
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^I meant hundreds of thousands not millions...........d'oh!
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Old June 4th, 2005, 03:34 PM   #46
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What did Bombardier expect with N.A. gov'ts spending billions of dollars on shiny new/refurbished airports.
Or freeways.
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Old June 4th, 2005, 10:52 PM   #47
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Why am I not surprise??? Bombardier has brought nothing but suffering and grief to the rail rapid transit world. I think they should stick to snowmobiles and leave trains and planes up to the true leaders of the industry such as Seimens and Embraer. I'm confident that high speed trains will flourish in North America but the suppliers will be the true experts in the field, not just some Canadian corporate welfare child. :bleh:
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Old June 4th, 2005, 11:07 PM   #48
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They don't even make snowmobiles anymore.
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Old June 5th, 2005, 07:06 AM   #49
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Acela May Return to Service by This Month
3 June 2005
The Wall Street Journal

MONTREAL -- Bombardier Inc., leader of the consortium that supplies Amtrak's Acela Express trains, expects to begin returning the high-speed trains to service this month, a senior official of the Montreal company said.

Andre Navarri, president of Bombardier's rail-equipment division, said the consortium should be able to get all of the Acela trains back in service by the end of summer, subject to approval of the process by the Federal Railroad Administration.

The Acela trains have been idled since mid-April, when an inspection detected cracking in the spokes of brake discs on the passenger cars. Germany's Knorr-Bremse AG, which supplies the brakes to Bombardier, is furnishing newly designed discs that will be used to get the trains back in service, officials said. The new discs are expected to be more robust in service than the original ones, according to Bombardier.

David Gunn, president of Amtrak, said "We are happy; the contractors have worked very hard to get the trains back in service." He added that "I hope [Mr. Navarri] is right" about the timing "but if they slip a little I wouldn't be surprised."

Amtrak has estimated it is losing more than $1 million every week the Acela is out of service. The popular trains, which run on the busy Northeast Corridor between Washington, New York and Boston, account for roughly a quarter of Amtrak's revenue.
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^ Is Bombardier going to compensate Amtrak for the faulty products they sold to them? They have to be held accountable for their unreliable trains so they will think twice before selling inferior products.
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Old June 6th, 2005, 01:22 AM   #51
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goodbye! bye!
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Old June 6th, 2005, 07:50 AM   #52
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Even though Bombadier has purchased Henchel (the good old German Rolling Stock Producers for Thai Railways or so), it seems to me that they could NOT copy what the good old Germany firm have done ...so SRT refuses to purchase ANY roling stocks from Bombadier ...better stick on General Electric or Siemens Instead

BTW, What is Embraer? I have NEVER heard this firm before
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Old June 6th, 2005, 08:04 AM   #53
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They're the major regional jet maker from Brazil.

And don't forget the Japanese consortiums!
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Old June 7th, 2005, 12:13 AM   #54
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^ Is Bombardier going to compensate Amtrak for the faulty products they sold to them? They have to be held accountable for their unreliable trains so they will think twice before selling inferior products.
Amtrak was furious over Bombardier's Acela trains. I believe a lawsuit was filed in 2001.

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Old June 7th, 2005, 12:41 AM   #55
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Its all bullshit.

What did Amtrak expect when they ran a 21 century train on 1950s tracks?

Like someone else said, the US is willing to buy the trains, but cant afford to upgrade the track.

As a Bostonian, I am always interested in the quickest and most convienient way to get to NYC. Unfortunately, Amtrak is niether.

One of the reasons why rail travel from Boston to NYC could be better then flying would be flexibility. Having traveled Europe extensively, one time I decided to try the Acela Express. I was selling my car to someone in NYC and needed a way to get back to Boston. A couple of days before my trip, I decided to buy a return ticket with Amtrak.

I love trains, because if you make a last minute change to your plans (ie I'm gonna stay in the city for dinner) you just hop on the next train and be on your merry way. Not with Amtrak.

I decided to get on the Acela that left NYC two hours later than the train I originally booked. THEY WOULDNT LET ME GET ON THE TRAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They said that since I bought the ticket for the earlier train, I couldnt get on the later one. I had to go to the Amtrak office to change the ticket. Seriously, WTF?????? Where is the convieniece????? I might as well just fly and save 1 hour and 120 dollars.

I ended up going to the airport, rented a car, and drove back.

Seriously Amtrak sucks, and not just the trains. Forget the rest of the country, privatize the NE corridor and get rid of the rest of the system. I mean who the hell is going to take the train from LA to NY???? Trains (High speed or otherwise) dont make sence for intercity travel in N America.
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Old June 7th, 2005, 12:55 AM   #56
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As a Bostonian, I am always interested in the quickest and most convienient way to get to NYC. Unfortunately, Amtrak is niether.
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Take the Fung Wah Bus, $15 return. Goes from Boston Bus terminal, to Chinatown, and it runs regular intervals. Its cleaner then greyhound, and popular amoung students. 3.5 hours is not bad considering the time going to the airport.
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Old June 7th, 2005, 01:18 AM   #57
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Thanks Roch, I'll check them out next time I go.

Back on topic though, it is a true shame that they cannot get the DC-NYC-Boston train route to work properly.
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Amtrak was furious over Bombardier's Acela trains. I believe a lawsuit was filed in 2001.

Further information : http://www2.cdn-news.com/scripts/ccn.../0317008n.html
Interesting...I wonder if the city of Las Vegas will also sue them for the monorail...
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Old June 10th, 2005, 07:41 PM   #59
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Great news! It'll be back
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Acela Service to Return in July, Amtrak Says
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Bloomberg News
Friday, June 10, 2005; A02

Amtrak next month will resume Acela high-speed train service, which was suspended in April because of brake problems, the railroad's chief of operations said yesterday.

The return will be gradual, with all 20 Acela trains back in service in the fall after repairs are made, William L. Crosbie said at a House Transportation Committee hearing in Washington. He didn't give a specific month.

The trains, which can reach 150 miles an hour, serve New York, Washington and Boston, and account for more than 20 percent of Amtrak's ticket sales. Amtrak has said the suspension of Acela service has cost it about $1 million a week.

The trains, made by Bombardier Inc. and Alstom SA, were taken out of service April 15 after inspectors found cracks in about 20 percent of brake rotors.

The railroad is testing a new type of rotor to replace the cracked ones, Crosbie said. The replacements change the rotor design to reduce vibrations when the brakes are applied, said R. Clifford Black, an Amtrak spokesman. The vibrations may have caused the cracks, Black said.

Amtrak has been working with equipment suppliers such as Knorr Brake, a unit of closely held Knorr-Bremse AG of Munich, to develop the replacement parts.

Metroliner trains, which take about 15 minutes longer than Acelas to reach New York from Washington, have run the 15 weekday New York-Washington round trips since April.

The Acela problems arose as Congress debated funding for Amtrak, which has received about $30 billion in subsidies since it was founded in 1971, including $1.2 billion this fiscal year.

The railroad originally expected to have $75 million when the fiscal year ends on Sept. 30 and now forecasts the amount will be as little as $35 million.

Acela has been an "incredible fiasco," Rep. John L. Mica (R-Fla.) said at the hearing. The high-speed trains were delayed almost a year by flaws such as wheel cracks before starting in 2000. The trains also were suspended in 2002 after shock-absorber parts cracked.

Mica also criticized Amtrak for losses on food service, in part because of high labor costs.

Fred E. Weiderhold Jr., the railroad's inspector general, said yesterday that Amtrak loses more than $130 million a year on food service. The railroad could reduce costs by $94 million by paying its food-service workers wages similar to those of restaurant employees and by reducing expenses for food storage, he said.

Amtrak workers receive 3.5 times the average annual compensation of about $15,000 for restaurant employees, Weiderhold said.
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Old June 11th, 2005, 06:07 AM   #60
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Yet another case of people twisting the story to make it sound like Amtrak is the hugest mistake ever made by man.

Acela was one of the best services Amtrak EVER had. It had nothing to do with high speed rail, yet everyone is insisting it is this great failure because it hasn't lived up to being high-speed. The attraction of the north east corridor is not speed, it's the service. Acela finally brough comfortable trasnportation directly to the city center, so people didn't have to deal with other hassles. They could simply take the subway to the rail station, hop on a train, and be able to work or relax without having to be squeezed in like cattle.

The time difference between Acela and Metroliner is like 15 minutes. You can't tell me there is that much more interest in Acela purely because of those 15 minutes? It's service and quality. Attractive, modern looking and feeling trains, tolerable service, and convenience.

I wish they would stop trying to turn everythign Amtrak does into a failure simply so they can fund more airlines.
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