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Old September 30th, 2015, 12:44 AM   #6001
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What's wrong with the 14 Freeway option?

Freeways are already a blight and when they add lanes or do construction it involves taking neighboring properties. I don't see what adding rail could do that would make it any worse than it is.
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Old September 30th, 2015, 12:59 AM   #6002
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From the given map tunnel option would be faster and considering the very high price of construction in US perhaps not more expensive.

It wouldn't be possible to run HSR 100% parallel to the freeway in the mountains because a standard highway tolerates a much smaller curve radius than a train running at 300 km/h can. Therefore impact would be bigger than you might think.
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Old October 10th, 2015, 06:30 PM   #6003
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Old October 15th, 2015, 05:25 AM   #6004
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Transportation and Money: Would Americans Use High-Speed Rail?



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A new survey by the American Public Transportation Association (APTA) — “High-Speed Rail in America 2015” — finds that if high-speed rail were available now, 63 percent of Americans would be likely to use high-speed trains.

The number jumps to 67 percent when respondents were informed that it will be less expensive than flying and that it will take less time than driving to their destination.

But by and large, Americans don’t get the chance.

Over the Christmas holidays, I had the chance to take the high-speed Eurostar train from Paris to London. I looked at the train and the plane as options, and the Eurostar, at 199 mph, was the best by far, both by time and convenience.

Japan is known for its high-speed maglev bullet trains (270 mph), and there’s also France’s TVG (236 mph), the Korea Train Express (219 mph), and China Railways (302 mph), to name a few. But the trend has been slow to catch on in the United States. Amtrak’s Acela, which runs between Washington, D.C., and Boston, which can only reach a top speed of 150 mph.
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Old October 16th, 2015, 07:16 AM   #6005
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Study: Texas High-speed rail would spur billions in economic benefits


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An impact study commissioned by the developers of a high-speed train between Dallas and Houston says the project will spur $36 billion in economic benefits over 25 years – and will pour hundreds of millions of dollars into government coffers each year.

Texas Central Partners today released the major findings of the study, which for the first time attached estimated figures to the bullet train’s potential economic effects.

Company CEO Tim Keith said in an interview that he pleasantly surprised about “how substantial and long-lasting the project will be on the state’s economy.”

Because Texas Central is a private company, its property and infrastructure is taxable, unlike tax-funded rail lines or highways. That means the company will have to pay property taxes to cities, school districts and counties for the entire length of its track between the two metropolitan areas. Those rural counties between the two cities is home to several people who oppose the project.

“We’re hopeful the study will highlight some of the benefits delivered by the project,” Keith said.

But Kyle Workman, president of Texans Against High-Speed Rail, criticized the study.



“It paints the rosy picture that TCR wants to paint and fails to account for the loss of property tax value that takes place for those whose land will be taken in the surrounding area,” Workman said.
In all, the study conducted by Allen-based Insight Research Group estimates that Texas Central will pay $2.5 billion in taxes by 2040. Grimes County, which this year has an operating budget of about $20 million, will likely see the biggest benefit compared to other rural counties.

Texas Central plans to put a station in the county, though an exact location isn’t known. Today’s study estimates that the company will pay $50 million in taxes to county entities by 2040. Grimes County Judge Ben Leman is also the chairman of Texans Against High-Speed Rail. Leman was not immediately available for comment Thursday morning.

Workman said Leman would release a statement later Thursday.

Texas Central has long said it would likely put a station near the line’s midpoint. Keith said Grimes County was selected for the Brazos Valley station location because it is in the middle of several cities including College Station, Huntsville and Madisonville.

The study released today also estimates that the $1 billion it will spend in Grimes County alone will spur development around the station. But Workman doubted those projections.

“It also presupposes a project that succeeds as opposed to addressing a project that fails, as we all know it will,” Workman said.
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Old October 17th, 2015, 03:31 PM   #6006
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How real are those california plans for the HSR in fact?

It would be nice to see HSR in the US, however, I see two major complications.

a) Public transport is quite underdeveloped in the US, but it is crucial for good functioning of HSR.
b) Americans are used to the cars and prefer taxi to the public transport. It would be very difficult to serve a HSR hub passenger numbers properly with the taxis.

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I think that the, already a reality, driver-less car solutions could be a good answer to this. Especially when we realize that the technology is having strong foothold in the US.

Another point is of course, whether we could not, with further development of this technology, skip the HSR in its classic sense completely, organizing the autonomous vehicles into some sort of "high speed trains" at some hub points.
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a) Public transport is quite underdeveloped in the US, but it is crucial for good functioning of HSR.
b) Americans are used to the cars and prefer taxi to the public transport. It would be very difficult to serve a HSR hub passenger numbers properly with the taxis.
You have to start somewhere. People in the USA or anywhere in the world are used to a number of things that are not good in the long run. Its not like public transport has never existed in the USA.

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I think that the, already a reality, driver-less car solutions could be a good answer to this. Especially when we realize that the technology is having strong foothold in the US.

Another point is of course, whether we could not, with further development of this technology, skip the HSR in its classic sense completely, organizing the autonomous vehicles into some sort of "high speed trains" at some hub points.
It will still use cars and even electric cars will still have a greater environmental foot print than trains.
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Old October 18th, 2015, 05:46 AM   #6008
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How real are those california plans for the HSR in fact?

I think that the, already a reality, driver-less car solutions could be a good answer to this. Especially when we realize that the technology is having strong foothold in the US.

Another point is of course, whether we could not, with further development of this technology, skip the HSR in its classic sense completely, organizing the autonomous vehicles into some sort of "high speed trains" at some hub points.
Or, robot cars could pick up people at high speed train stations in locations where it is easier to build them.

This is an argument I've made before- automated cars will make high speed rail practical since they'll fix the "last mile" problem that comes from a lack of mass transit in US cities.

Robot taxis in the role of high speed intercity transit seems problematic. You'd have to have a separate fleet of cars that were specially designed to travel at high speeds with sufficient battery power and motors. And you'd have to accept an imbalance if the flow of passengers in direction was different from the flow in another direction. And it wouldn't be as comfortable as a train.
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Old October 19th, 2015, 06:43 AM   #6009
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Chinese firms want to build, finance California high-speed train

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SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - A team of Chinese firms, along with the Export-Import Bank of China, wants to build and finance a large part of California’s proposed 800-mile high-speed rail project.

The firms expressed their interest last month in a 23-page document sent to the California High-Speed Rail Authority. The authority asked private companies from around the globe to help shape the state's strategy to launch the first stage of its train line, considered the most ambitious infrastructure project in the United States.

Led by China Railway International, the Chinese team proposed it could provide big elements of the project, including design expertise, construction, equipment procurement, and rolling stock. It also proposed financing from the Export-Import Bank of China.

By packaging large pieces of the high-speed rail line together, for delivery by a single contractor, the project’s cost and construction timeline would be greatly reduced, the team proposed.

“To the Chinese team, a relatively large-scale contract is proper and reasonable,” said the letter, obtained by Reuters through a Public Records Act request.

California’s high-speed rail line would run trains at speeds of up to 220 miles per hour between Los Angeles and San Francisco by 2029 and, later, expand to San Diego and Sacramento.

The United States is a key target for China's rail industry, even though policymakers have been split over the need for high-speed rail and some have taken a dim view of Chinese involvement. Last month, a unit of China's CRRC Corp, the world's biggest train maker by revenue, agreed to a deal to help build a high-speed link between Las Vegas and Los Angeles.

California still needs a large amount of funding to complete its rail line. About $13.2 billion of the estimated $68 billion has been raised through state and federal funds, plus a pledge of cap-and-trade proceeds, or funds paid by companies to offset carbon emissions.

The Chinese team proposed that under “appropriate loan conditions," the Export-Import Bank of China could "satisfy the financing needs of the project.”

But the Chinese also warned that California should provide additional public financing and guarantee future project debt to appease uneasy investors.

“Due to the huge financing gap of the project, potential private investors and lenders may be cautious,” the Chinese team wrote.

China has recently clinched contracts in Russia, the latest in an aggressive push to procure high-speed rail deals overseas. It faced hurdles in Mexico and Indonesia due to bureaucratic flip-flops in those countries.
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Old October 19th, 2015, 04:41 PM   #6010
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Well this is humiliating
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Well this is humiliating
It's true.

Until 1960's, United States were a reference in passenger rail transport and some of the few passenger trains of the age were from America. Nowadays, USA don't have a all-American passenger rail industry and need to buy foreign technology to carry passengers in its railroads.
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And CERTAIN groups don't really see the problem with this as long as they can continue to suckle at the teet of Charlie and Davie.
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Just like Highways, the automotive industry, the oil industry, and the airline companies
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Old October 21st, 2015, 08:29 AM   #6014
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I don't understand the issue here? Yeah, the US looks pretty dumb for not having a nation-wide HSR system, but it was only very recently that China (a nation roughly the same size as the US in terms of square miles) built out an incredible High Speed Network. They may not be as successful in terms of accidents, but it's not like they're new to this.

If they go this route, it would seem that CHSRA has taken a note or two from Texas Central's playbook; JR Central is the "mastermind" of sorts for our Texas HSR, and Will use Japan's Export-Import Loans for financing most of the project.
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Well when some thing is labeled a private project like Texas Central you expect money to come from everywhere/anywhere and when it's labeled a public project you expect the government of the country that the project is in to help fund it, seeing as how the majority party in the United States Congress has devolved into a bunch of fatuous nincompoops who refuse to fund anything that would make people realized that government isn't a bad thing, a foreign government is willing to step up to the plate to help fund HSR in California is kinda humiliating because you realize that if your country is unwilling to fund its own future the writing is starting to appear on the wall
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Well when some thing is labeled a private project like Texas Central you expect money to come from everywhere/anywhere and when it's labeled a public project you expect the government of the country that the project is in to help fund it, seeing as how the majority party in the United States Congress has devolved into a bunch of fatuous nincompoops who refuse to fund anything that would make people realized that government isn't a bad thing, a foreign government is willing to step up to the plate to help fund HSR in California is kinda humiliating because you realize that if your country is unwilling to fund its own future the writing is starting to appear on the wall
This is called Globalization...country A experiences investment outflows, while country B experiences inflows and amasses a good amount of capital. Country B allocates that capital on what it sees fit, but eventually, returns diminish and the capital inflows turn into outflows as higher yields are sought.

You can paint it any way you want to, but investment is slowing quickly and [State-Owned] companies are moving fast to find profits in whatever they can get their hands on.

This will mean quite a favorable deal for CA in any MOA, reached.

It doesn't matter who funds finances it, so long as it's funded financed.
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UNITED STATES | High Speed Rail

I'm not saying that this is not a good thing and that I am against the offer of funding. I am happy financial entities have stepped up to the plate to help fund this.

I'm just saying I'm embarrassed by the hostility and attacks towards High Speed Rail in the United States' by backwards ass politicians who don't seem to know their ass from their elbow.
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I'm not saying that this is not a good thing and that I am against the offer of funding. I am happy financial entities have stepped up to the plate to help fund this.

I'm just saying I'm embarrassed by the hostility and attacks towards High Speed Rail in the United States' by backwards ass politicians who don't seem to know their ass from their elbow.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ And I'm pointing out that that's a weird way of thinking. Would it be just as "embarrassing" if it was a bank putting forth the financing?

No one seems to have a problem with JR doing the same thing in Texas - and attempting to with Maglev in the NE. Somehow, we're supposed to start navel-gazing because, "China"

They're desperate to invest and generate some returns, and we're desperate for financing (because we refuse to tax ourselves to do it). Perfect match.
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ And I'm pointing out that that's a weird way of thinking. Would it be just as "embarrassing" if it was a bank putting forth the financing?



No one seems to have a problem with JR doing the same thing in Texas - and attempting to with Maglev in the NE. Somehow, we're supposed to start navel-gazing because, "China"



They're desperate to invest and generate some returns, and we're desperate for financing (because we refuse to tax ourselves to do it). Perfect match.

Fair enough, at one time our infrastructure was privately financed and it didn't turn out half bad, just look at GCT and the New York Tunnel extension project those turned out pretty damn well.
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Ok Tower Bro I see what you mean now. I assumed that this move wasn't so much as a lack of will to fund the CHSRA by Congress, so much as I saw it as California seeing the success TCR has had so far with the implementation of their plan.
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