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Old November 20th, 2015, 05:31 AM   #6121
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Old November 20th, 2015, 05:40 AM   #6122
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I don't think this is practical with the current infrastructure. I believe the line is curvy (due to the Coastal Range) with only small towns for the most part between San Jose and San Luis Obispo. SLO itself has less than 50,000. What is needed is high-speed rail in the Central Valley, where there is a much greater population and flat-terrain, and what CAHSR will address. For now, people driving always take interstate 5 for that reason, rather than the much curvier US 101.
But the Starlight uses the line north of San Luis so how hard would it really be? Just run a few roundtrip trains up to San Francisco.
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Old November 20th, 2015, 06:44 AM   #6123
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I would agree that some more trains on the Coast Line would be nice, but rather than having them run the whole length LA-SF, have them run as turnbacks between SLO and SF, that way you can squeeze better equipment utilization out of the trainsets (and these preferably would be tilt capable 100~125mph express DMUS). If the track is sufficiently upgraded, they may be able to get two r/t a day out of one trainset.

*I would get rid of the Coast Starlate, err Starlight, and replace the Bay Area-SoCal run with a push/pull loco-hauled day train (the "Coast Daylight") and perhaps a night train (the "Lark" redux) that departs after the last HSR service leaves the Bay Area and SoCal, respectively.

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Old November 20th, 2015, 04:02 PM   #6124
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The current plan is for a new Coast Daylight departing in the early morning and making a twelve-hour trip between SF and LA, in addition to the Coast Starlight running on its current timetable: http://www.montereypeninsula.info/de...tschedule.html

In the 1950s, the SP managed to make the run in 10 hours-just goes to show how bad things are now! But in the long run, the intention is to do some minor curve realignments, improve the signals, and extend sidings/double track to drop the time down to 8 hours.

Equipment will likely be Surfliner sets.
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Old November 23rd, 2015, 05:35 AM   #6125
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State-backed fund cleared to plow $40 million into Texas bullet train project

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A government-backed fund has won approval to spend about $40 million (¥4 billion) to support a high-speed rail project being advocated in Texas, bolstering support from Japan Central Railway Co. (JR Tokai).

Japan Overseas Infrastructure Investment Corp. won approval from the transport ministry to spend the funds, according to a statement Saturday on the ministry’s website. The money will be spent through the Texas Central Partners, a private group set up to develop a high-speed line between Houston and Dallas that would link two of the state’s biggest commercial hubs in 90 minutes.

The government has vowed to help rail operators and equipment makers win contracts outside the country, where a shrinking population is limiting growth prospects. JR Tokai, the nation’s largest bullet-train operator, has been working with Texas Central Partners to assess feasibility of high speed trains in the state.

For the U.S. project, JR Tokai has been urging the adoption of the shinkansen system based on its N700 series trains.

Some question whether the $12 billion needed for construction can be raised. The project is in the second phase of finalizing its fundraising plans and design details. The U.S. company plans to enter the final phase of construction in 2017 so service can start in 2021.

The Japanese government hopes to use the additional investment from the fund to prod the company into adopting the shinkansen.

Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said in a speech in Kuala Lumpur that Japan wants other countries to use its proven shinkansen technologies.

This is the second time this month a Japanese-style high-speed train project in the U.S. has won government backing. A plan to build a maglev in Washington won $28 million in funds from the U.S. government two weeks ago. Both projects would use JR Tokai technology.
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Old November 24th, 2015, 08:07 AM   #6126
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Old November 25th, 2015, 07:25 PM   #6127
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Have costs dropped 'several hundred million dollars' for California’s bullet train?




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Old November 25th, 2015, 07:26 PM   #6128
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Firsthand Look at High-Speed Train Planned for Texas


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Old November 26th, 2015, 04:23 AM   #6129
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Elon Musk's Hyperloop is going to be expensive — but it's doable


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The hyperloop will not cost $5 Billion! That would just be the cost of the stations. It relies on almost-vacuum tubes to travel at such high speeds. The glass containment is incredibly expensive, plus the guideways and support tracks. You're talking taking California's High Speed Rail viaducts and adding glass tubes on top of it! Steel rails and catenary cables cost far less! The pods themselves will also be incredibly expensive because they have to be designed like aircraft fuselages to withstand the air pressures.

Air pressure is 14.7 pounds per square inch and they are planning to reduce the pressure to about 1/4 to 1/2 of that within the tube, meaning 7.35 to 11 pounds per square inch. On the average human hand's surface, that amounts to about 600-900 pounds of constant force trying to tear the pod apart.

The only way to actually judge the cost of the Hyperloop is to actually build a functional one at full scale for commercial service. Then scale up the cost for the hundreds of miles of the route. It will be closer to the cost of conventional high-speed rail, if not more, and will be limited to a very few pod designs. Meanwhile there are dozens of incredibly beautiful train designs that would work very well on the grade separated dedicated line.
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Old November 26th, 2015, 06:41 AM   #6130
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The hyperloop will not cost $5 Billion! That would just be the cost of the stations. It relies on almost-vacuum tubes to travel at such high speeds. The glass containment is incredibly expensive, plus the guideways and support tracks. You're talking taking California's High Speed Rail viaducts and adding glass tubes on top of it! Steel rails and catenary cables cost far less! The pods themselves will also be incredibly expensive because they have to be designed like aircraft fuselages to withstand the air pressures.

Air pressure is 14.7 pounds per square inch and they are planning to reduce the pressure to about 1/4 to 1/2 of that within the tube, meaning 7.35 to 11 pounds per square inch. On the average human hand's surface, that amounts to about 600-900 pounds of constant force trying to tear the pod apart.

The only way to actually judge the cost of the Hyperloop is to actually build a functional one at full scale for commercial service. Then scale up the cost for the hundreds of miles of the route. It will be closer to the cost of conventional high-speed rail, if not more, and will be limited to a very few pod designs. Meanwhile there are dozens of incredibly beautiful train designs that would work very well on the grade separated dedicated line.
Exactly! That's the core problem of gadgetbahn -- it's completely untried and untested. A trial project would give us some insights about costs and returns, but the scale of such a trial would be closer to the Shanghai maglev than the Chuo shinkansen...

Besides, with conventional HSR, not only are there tons of existing designs, but with successful HSR you can also start growing a true domestic market to construct modern passenger equipment (rather than the tanks the FRA has had a history of forcing on us).
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Old November 27th, 2015, 01:27 AM   #6131
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Old November 27th, 2015, 10:47 AM   #6132
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Texas project privately raising $4bn

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A project to develop a high-speed railway in the U.S. state of Texas, building upon the technological assets of Central Japan Railway, is tapping local businesses to raise about $4 billion, according to people familiar with the matter.

Through the fundraising campaign, the project will secure about a third of the $12 billion in assumed total construction costs. Central Japan Railway, known as JR Tokai, could invest a few million more.

The envisaged high-speed railway is to run a revamped version of JR Tokai's mainstay N700 series shinkansen on some 400km between Dallas and Houston. Unlike most other high-speed railway projects, which are funded with state money, the Texas venture is being bankrolled entirely by the private sector. Locally financed Texas Central Partners is responsible for setting routes and acquiring the necessary land.

Texas Central Partners plans to set up a new company by 2017 to start construction. It hopes to open the route by 2021. The rest of the construction costs are expected to be covered by debt. Texas Central Partners has already raised about $73 million from local companies and other parties.

The Japan Overseas Infrastructure Investment Corporation for Transport & Urban Development on Saturday said it will help to speed up the project by investing $40 million in Texas Central Partners, with an eye to increasing the amount to about $146 million.

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Old November 28th, 2015, 11:18 AM   #6133
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Providence is already serviced well ...I don't know why they would need more service ontop of what they have. I do agree with an East-West line across Mass but it should extend to Albany...and be Electrified...
Providence (as being coterminous with Rhode Island) also has 2 Senators at its beck and whim. Worcester doesn't. This is why Providence is always serviced. Same for Wilmington.
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Providence (as being coterminous with Rhode Island) also has 2 Senators at its beck and whim. Worcester doesn't. This is why Providence is always serviced. Same for Wilmington.
Wilmington is skipped over in the Master Plan...so its not that powerful...
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Unlike most other high-speed railway projects, which are funded with state money, the Texas venture is being bankrolled entirely by the private sector.
I thought I read somewhere that they are trying to seek Federal money...or at least Federal loan guarantees. Either way, I hope this gets built as it could boost support for HSR in the US.
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Old November 28th, 2015, 01:00 PM   #6136
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Regardless of what money they are using for construction they'll need a full support by the state of Texas anyway.
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Providence (as being coterminous with Rhode Island) also has 2 Senators at its beck and whim. Worcester doesn't. This is why Providence is always serviced. Same for Wilmington.
Also important: Providence has Brown and RISD as well as its own eponymous college. The NEC mainline also does an adequate job of servicing URI's main campus as it stands. Universities generate a lot of economic activity and outsize ridership.

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Also important: Providence has Brown and RISD as well as its own eponymous college. The NEC mainline also does an adequate job of servicing URI's main campus as it stands. Universities generate a lot of economic activity and outsize ridership.

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Worcester has Clark, WPI, and at least one or two other universities.
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