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Old March 5th, 2016, 05:08 AM   #6241
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Are you talking about the PRR logo as compared to the TTC logo, or the TTC as compared to the Metroliner.

I'm honestly clueless as to the origin of the PRR Keystone, so I would like to know myself if anyone has the information. But I think that the TTC is from the 1920s.
I was talking about the similarity in logos.
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Old March 5th, 2016, 06:18 AM   #6242
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Which came first?

The PRR's iconic keystone logo references "The Keystone State" (Pennsylvania's traditional nickname). It was already such an established brand by the 1920s it occurs everywhere in PRR architecture. AFAIK it goes back to the Gilded Age, if not even further.

The brand is iconic to the point where it's been used in e.g. beer brands:


This is what the PRR brand derives from:


To my eyes it looks like the TTC logo would be derived from the PRR logo and not the other way around -- notice that the top thingy is decoration on the keystone logo while the bottom part is what you actually need to hold an arch up. The TTC logo lacks the bottom part and emulates the more iconic parts of the PRR logo without having what the PRR logo proper is referencing.
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Old March 7th, 2016, 08:50 AM   #6243
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New ACES Signal Transponders on the New Haven Line...
Eurobalises?
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Old March 7th, 2016, 09:03 AM   #6244
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Eurobalises?
Advanced Civil Speed Enforcement System
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Old March 9th, 2016, 01:58 PM   #6245
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I know what ACSES is. Mainly because Alstom is one of the developers of ACSES and has its own line of Eurobalises I wouldn't surprise me that those ACSES transponders are in fact slightly changed Eurobalises. Why would you develop something different when you already have something fit for the purpose? Oh wait, the rail business - worldwide, not only NA - is 'special' so it only makes sense that you can't reuse components that work somewhere else, right?
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Old March 10th, 2016, 12:46 AM   #6246
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In major win for high-speed rail, judge rejects claims by Kings County foes of bullet train

Sacramento court denies Kings County effort to halt project


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Old March 11th, 2016, 04:27 AM   #6247
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Acela Express Galore yesterday in and around Newark,NJ

Westbound Acela Express slowly crawls through the Ironbound...


An Early Morning Walk around The Ironbound - Westbound Acela Expres
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Eastbound Acela Express racing past my stopped train in Kearny JCT...


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Westbound Acela Express roaring towards Secaucus JCT


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Old March 15th, 2016, 06:57 AM   #6248
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I don't know if any of you can answer this (maybe Nexis) but will NYS or CSX replace the signals west of Schenectady to allow Amtrak trains to travel greater than 79 MPH and reach a top speed of 110? See what I mean in this video.



It wasn't apparent to me how slow these trains actually go west of Schenectedy until I watched that, because I'm used to sluggish speeds. Anybody know anything about why this is?
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Old March 15th, 2016, 04:03 PM   #6249
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They are examining it. But part of the problem is interference with freight traffic and a lack of priority for passenger trains.
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They are examining it. But part of the problem is interference with freight traffic and a lack of priority for passenger trains.
A continuous third or fourth rail would work wonders on the corridor. I heard it was ripped out years ago after NY Central collapsed.
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A continuous third or fourth rail would work wonders on the corridor. I heard it was ripped out years ago after NY Central collapsed.
AS NYC collapsed.

You can still see the traces-the RoW is wide enough in virtually every part from Grand Central to Chicago. But it was ripped up in the late '50s/early '60s, except for the electric lines.

There are some stretches (Albany-Schenectady) that are even SINGLE TRACK. That's pretty bad.

Thankfully, that particular stretch is planned for doubling. That will eliminate a major bottleneck, as will installing a fourth track at Albany-Rensselaer station.
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Old March 16th, 2016, 01:14 AM   #6252
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AS NYC collapsed.

You can still see the traces-the RoW is wide enough in virtually every part from Grand Central to Chicago. But it was ripped up in the late '50s/early '60s, except for the electric lines.

There are some stretches (Albany-Schenectady) that are even SINGLE TRACK. That's pretty bad.

Thankfully, that particular stretch is planned for doubling. That will eliminate a major bottleneck, as will installing a fourth track at Albany-Rensselaer station.
You speak of single track, the Amtrak tracks from downtown Buffalo to Tonawanda are also single tracked, although they don't get much traffic. Be that as it may, if commuter rail service were to ever start in the area, they would need to restore the second track:

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9142.../data=!3m1!1e3
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Old March 16th, 2016, 02:00 AM   #6253
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On my trips during grad school from Boston to Cleveland, the Albany-Schenectady stretch was one of the better ones. It was east of Albany, in western Mass, that was really painful. Not that I expect any real improvements on that part of the line...ever, but just as a passenger, it was bad.
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Old March 16th, 2016, 02:39 AM   #6254
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On my trips during grad school from Boston to Cleveland, the Albany-Schenectady stretch was one of the better ones. It was east of Albany, in western Mass, that was really painful. Not that I expect any real improvements on that part of the line...ever, but just as a passenger, it was bad.
Are you talking about speed, track quality, capacity, or what?

I remember that a portion of the line just east of Albany was torn up by PC about 1971 because when Amtrak started there was no Albany-Boston service. When it was reinstated, they put the tracks back.
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All the above, really. The tracks follow what I assume was the original alignment, and it is curvy as all get out. I'm sure working out a straighter path on the route is way down the list of priorities, somewhere around a high-speed Boise-to-Helena route, but it was grinding, just the same.
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Old March 16th, 2016, 01:47 PM   #6256
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The way to fix the rail network is for Amtrak to become some sort of giant parastatal controlling the entire passenger and freight rail network in the country, so it can coordinate passenger and freight operations properly, like in China, Russia, France, Switzerland, and Germany, basically in Europe you just have one giant company controlling the entire rail network in the country, or give Amtrak sufficient money to buy and maintain the entire rail network in the country, with the freight operations using it and paying for their use, like how airlines pay landing fees to airports.
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Old March 17th, 2016, 02:28 PM   #6257
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Well, that might be one possibility. But politically unlikely in the near future, a more pragmatic approach would be to give both Amtrak and states more right towards the railway companies. So that a state wanting to implement inter-city passenger rail could have a greater advantage towards the owner of the tracks.

I know this have been implemented in Mexico quite recently, where track owners now have to yield for any eventual implementation of passenger trains.
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Old March 17th, 2016, 04:14 PM   #6258
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How would prioritizing passenger over freight rail impact the economy? Maybe the economy would take a hit if business can't get their goods on time if freight trains are held up to make way for passenger trains and shortages in vital goods occur?
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Old March 17th, 2016, 05:22 PM   #6259
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Generally speaking, the impact of passenger trains on freight trains is minimal. Passenger trains run on a known timetable, and can therefore be scheduled around to a much greater degree than freight trains. Furthermore, most freight movements are not so time-sensitive as to be tremendously impacted by a relatively small number of additional trains. And most passenger trains bring at least some upgrades to the rail network, if only so that they can operate safely at the optimal speed.
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As long as freight railroads own the tracks they will run really long freight trains when ever they please to keep their operations at a profit.
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