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Old May 11th, 2016, 05:28 AM   #6341
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Yes, CAHSR and the Texas Central project have zero in common.

Between Houston and Dallas there is nothing but flat or gently rolling rural land with a relatively low population density. Even better, there were multiple choices of right of way that could be obtained, they were able to seek a high voltage power line corridor that's pretty much a straight line. Also the southeastern quadrant of the Dallas region is industrial and there is very little suburban sprawl between open country and the downtown core where lots of land is available for a station, it will be easy to bring the line into the city without any complications or disruption.

CAHSR has to cross 2 huge mountain ranges and then penetrate deep into two of the most most expensive and densely built up cities in the United States, coincidentally having to pass through some of the richest and snobbiest suburbs in the country in SF and having to do some complicated things to get into LA as well.
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Old May 11th, 2016, 09:13 AM   #6342
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Old May 11th, 2016, 02:14 PM   #6343
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Yes, CAHSR and the Texas Central project have zero in common.
People will always fetishize "private" ventures, because everyone believes they're inherently superior - even if that isn't always the case.

The former is attempting to be a comprehensive, state-wide (well, at least Coastal) system, while the latter is not.

Two entirely different scopes of work entailed.

It doesn't appear that TxCentral is at all interested in being a carrier for other services, which might end up being problematic, down the line, unless they decide to suddenly become interested in other markets besides Dallas-Houston.

Though, I'm not optimistic.

Their stubbornness is unnecessarily complicating the Fort-Worth - Dallas proposal...
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Old May 12th, 2016, 02:47 AM   #6344
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Hyperloop Technologies becomes Hyperloop One, pulls in $80 million and announces global partners




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Los Angeles-based Hyperloop Technologies is now Hyperloop One and $80 million richer from a close of its Series B round of financing today.

The news comes just days after rival hyperloop builder Hyperloop Transportation Technologies (HTT) announced a licensing deal to power its own prototype with magnetic levitation technology.

Both Hyperloop One (formerly Hyperloop Technologies) and HTT are based in L.A. and both are working on models of Elon Musk’s Hyperloop – a vacuum tube-based transportation technology promising to shoot riders from San Francisco to the City of Angels in 30 minutes or less.

The moniker was too much like its rival hyperloop builder and the change comes just in time for a propulsion open-air test (POAT) Hyperloop One will be conducting in North Las Vegas tomorrow.

The new cash is from existing investors Sherpa Ventures, 8VC, ZhenFund and Caspian Venture Partners and a few new investors, including 137 Ventures, Khosla Ventures, Fast Digital, Western Technology Investment (WTI), SNCF, the French National Rail Company (interestingly) and GE Ventures, which has invested heavily in building high speed rail in various parts of the world such as Europe and China. The total now raised is at $100 million.

“The overwhelming response we’ve had already confirms what we’ve always known, that Hyperloop One is at the forefront of a movement to solve one of the planet’s most pressing problems,” Hyperloop One co-founder and venture capitalist Shervin Pishevar said in a company statement. “The brightest minds are coming together at the right time to eliminate the distances and borders that separate economies and cultures.”
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Old May 12th, 2016, 02:55 AM   #6345
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Why can't this thing just die already?

What a waste of money.

The technical challenges are not yet solved and the financial programs that they give are simply deceitful.
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Old May 12th, 2016, 04:13 AM   #6346
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Why can't this thing just die already?

What a waste of money.

The technical challenges are not yet solved and the financial programs that they give are simply deceitful.
Because somehow it will deliver us from something that is outdated yet reliable and done well.
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Old May 12th, 2016, 05:38 AM   #6347
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Because somehow it will deliver us from something that is outdated yet reliable and done well.
A field that is constantly having improvements and modernization is hardly outdated.
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Old May 12th, 2016, 04:17 PM   #6349
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Because somehow it will deliver us from something that is outdated yet reliable and done well.
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A field that is constantly having improvements and modernization is hardly outdated.
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Why can't this thing just die already?

What a waste of money.

The technical challenges are not yet solved and the financial programs that they give are simply deceitful.
Have any physicists or transport engineers ever positively critiqued this concept? I have not heard of anyone reviewing the white paper from Elon Musk exhaustively. But somehow a lot of young engineers and graduate students are attracted to it.
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I read something yesterday that said SNCF were backing this and had even invested some money into its development.
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Old May 12th, 2016, 05:18 PM   #6351
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I read something yesterday that said SNCF were backing this and had even invested some money into its development.
In what?

Hyperloop?

Texas HSR?

California?

The NEC?

Minnesota?
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In what?

Hyperloop?

Texas HSR?

California?

The NEC?

Minnesota?
Even if SNCF is interested is it willing to back it all the way. The total cost of the hyper loop route between SF and LA was estimated by Musk to be around $10 billion which is much lower than the CaHSR. But then if the cost is so low he could easily raise that money given his tremendous clout. Somehow figuring out the technology is left to the geeks.
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Old May 12th, 2016, 08:40 PM   #6353
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Even if SNCF is interested is it willing to back it all the way. The total cost of the hyper loop route between SF and LA was estimated by Musk to be around $10 billion which is much lower than the CaHSR. But then if the cost is so low he could easily raise that money given his tremendous clout. Somehow figuring out the technology is left to the geeks.
That $10 billion quote?

That's from the EDGE of the Bay Area to the EDGE of LA. Yeah.

Somehow it's still going to be just as fast downtown-to-downtown (yeah, right).

The biggest costs for HSR is actually getting into the heart of the cities. For the stretch that compares to Musk's "super-cheap" gimmick? The costs are similar.
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Old May 13th, 2016, 06:22 AM   #6354
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Could the Hyperloop soon be a reality, or are we getting taken for a ride?

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Hyperloop Transportation Technologies has new partners in developing Elon Musk’s concept. But it may still have fundamental flaws.


In late August, Hyperloop Transportation Technologies (HTT) announced co-development deals with Oerlikon Leybold Vacuum and the engineering design firm Aecom. The involvement of two established and publicly-traded companies was widely interpreted as validation of the idea that Tesla founder Elon Musk shared with the world in a whitepaper in August of 2013.
And there are other signs of forward motion on the Hyperloop: Musk himself is building a test track, through SpaceX, for a pod design contest slated for January of 2016. And HTT (which is not directly affiliated with Musk) is building a separate test track in California.
But not everyone’s jumping on board. The media, and especially the tech media, have been aflutter about the Hyperloop since that first paper. But close observers and transit industry vets are much less enthusiastic about the concept, from the big picture down to the nuts and bolts. They argue that even given that the Hyperloop whitepaper was a rough sketch, the most important elements of the plan—its speed and price—have been vastly oversold.
One of the Hyperloop’s critics is Alon Levy, a researcher in theoretical mathematics with Sweden’s Royal Institute of Technology, who analyzes public transit issues at the blog Pedestrian Observations . When the Hyperloop was first announced, Levy highlighted conceptual problems, including that Hyperloop’s acceleration would make it a “barf ride”.
The new partnerships haven’t changed his perspective. If anything, they’ve made him more worried about the Hyperloop’s potential to erode support for California’s high speed rail project (CHSR) between Los Angeles and San Francisco.
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That's good news.

But if they want HSR to actually work (and survive) they need to place it on an equal footing with other modes of transportation. That means ending the massive amounts of subsidies for highway users (interstates should all be tolled) and ending massive spending state spending on airport infrastructure (it should be funded by airport authorities through fees, for example as done in Vancouver, Canada).

Once rail is on an equal footing with highways and air travel it should be profitable enough for private investment. The key is that people who use infrastructure should pay its true cost.
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Have any physicists or transport engineers ever positively critiqued this concept? I have not heard of anyone reviewing the white paper from Elon Musk exhaustively. But somehow a lot of young engineers and graduate students are attracted to it.
Being Crammed into a tube and flying that fast is not going to be attractive to most of the public...outside the thrill seeker segment of the population...
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Being Crammed into a tube and flying that fast is not going to be attractive to most of the public...outside the thrill seeker segment of the population...
How is that different from flying in an airplane?
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How is that different from flying in an airplane?
An Airplane is much larger and you can get out and move around from time to time along with having windows... The Hyperloop will be windowless...and tiny...smaller then a Coach bus..
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An Airplane is much larger and you can get out and move around from time to time along with having windows... The Hyperloop will be windowless...and tiny...smaller then a Coach bus..
There are similarities like the passengers would be doomed if there is an accident when the cabin hull is breached and all air is sucked out since there are no escape mechanism due to inherent flaw in design.
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