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Old July 28th, 2016, 07:29 AM   #6461
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I, believe that this train will be a custom design using everything Alstom has developed in the past 16 years, don't forget the Acela was built before Alstom acquired Fiat Ferroviaria and there for the Pendolino so the tilting mechanisms are much more improved also the "failures" of the Acela power cars have been fixed and the solutions have been introduced into the next generation of Duplex trainset power cars. Also the traction motors of the AGV are an extreme improvement as well. So it will probably a crazy custom mix of all three to comply with FRA regs.
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Old July 28th, 2016, 08:38 AM   #6462
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Amtrak: Vision for the NEC, 2012 Update Report pg. 22, Figure 22
These plans state an extension of the current Acela sets by 2 cars starting 2015. I thought they cancelled those plans?
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Old July 28th, 2016, 02:25 PM   #6463
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I, believe that this train will be a custom design using everything Alstom has developed in the past 16 years, don't forget the Acela was built before Alstom acquired Fiat Ferroviaria and there for the Pendolino so the tilting mechanisms are much more improved also the "failures" of the Acela power cars have been fixed and the solutions have been introduced into the next generation of Duplex trainset power cars. Also the traction motors of the AGV are an extreme improvement as well. So it will probably a crazy custom mix of all three to comply with FRA regs.
Well, yeah, but the information disclosures posted on this thread do seem a bit confusing. On the one hand they mention tilt-technology (i.e. the Pendolinos). On the other hand they mention speeds approaching 350 km/h, which as far as I'm aware no tilting train has ever achieved - not even in the upright-locked position. And as for making a Duplex train set tilt... well, their gravity point is so high that, shall we say, this seems to contradict high-school physics. - But I could be mistaken. Does anyone know more?
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Old July 28th, 2016, 02:48 PM   #6464
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These plans state an extension of the current Acela sets by 2 cars starting 2015. I thought they cancelled those plans?
Yeah, that I don't know much about...
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Old July 29th, 2016, 06:21 AM   #6465
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These plans state an extension of the current Acela sets by 2 cars starting 2015. I thought they cancelled those plans?
Yes they are.
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Old August 5th, 2016, 06:19 AM   #6468
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Old August 6th, 2016, 07:37 AM   #6469
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If they choose AGV in the NEC, Texas will end up having Americas coolest, quietest, and most comfortable trains.
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Old August 6th, 2016, 08:13 AM   #6470
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If they choose AGV in the NEC, Texas will end up having Americas coolest, quietest, and most comfortable trains.
Not going to happen, not even an ice-cube in hell chance with JR Central heavily involved in the project.

Besides the European standard loading gauge is too small for Americans.
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Not going to happen, not even an ice-cube in hell chance with JR Central heavily involved in the project.

Besides the European standard loading gauge is too small for Americans.
I think he means that if the NEC gets the AGVs, Texas will have Shinkansen rolling stock. I personally really like the clean and efficient design of the Shinkansens but the AGV is equally as cool with its Transformer-like angular features.
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Old August 6th, 2016, 04:07 PM   #6472
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Besides the European standard loading gauge is too small for Americans.
I'm pretty sure the loading gauge can be changed if necessary. For example, the Russian Siemens Velaro trains are 33cm (13 in) wider than the standard train.
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Old August 11th, 2016, 11:31 AM   #6474
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I think he means that if the NEC gets the AGVs, Texas will have Shinkansen rolling stock. I personally really like the clean and efficient design of the Shinkansens but the AGV is equally as cool with its Transformer-like angular features.
That's exactly what I meant. While I like the AGV (traveled on in Italy), I still find the N700 series ( at least on tracks in Japan ) to be the more comfortable, smoother, quieter ride.
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That may be at least partly due to having entirely exclusive new-build tracks, as you noted.
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Old August 12th, 2016, 08:50 AM   #6476
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Maybe, but I have a similar experience. I've ridden the pre-redesign ICE1, both Thalys types and the Shinkansen N700. Both ICE1 and N700 are pretty close and the TGV based Thalys far worse.
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Old August 13th, 2016, 04:29 AM   #6477
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I've ridden ICE3 based units in China, and they are extremely smooth. Especially on the line Beijing-Tianjin, it was like it was floating on a cloud.

Might be track, train, or a combination of the two.
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Old August 13th, 2016, 09:05 PM   #6478
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On the topic of the new, Acela rolling stock, two questions came to mind:

1. It appears they're concentrating on 12 new sets, for the short-term (2020), to be amended with an additional 32, in the medium-term (2025), and completely replaced by another 14, in the long-term (2040ish). So, do we think this will be one, large order (either figuring in all of these needs or - most likely - the short/medium-term needs), or that this contract will only cover the initial 12?

Considering just how long it took, and that Alstom was the only remaining candidate, It occurs to me that there is a good chance that this contract could be for 44 (or all 58) sets. Also, I would really want to know if they negotiated for the right to amend their order, since them exercising that right might signal they were considering/prepping for a bid to operate service in CA[HSR].

2. Concerning the initial 12, it would appear to me that Pendolino and Euroduplex might be the most obvious contenders since they're desperate to increase capacity and lower fares (I really don't know if they'd go with the AGVs, unless they're not as expensive as I think). Are the Euroduplexe's even compatible - as far as height clearances?

I can't tell if they're bi- or multi-levels, if that even makes a difference.
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Old August 14th, 2016, 12:59 AM   #6479
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The Euroduplex is four inches shorter than the Bombardier Multilevel, which is built for the restrictive heights of the NEC.

That said, I personally expect something along the lines of the Pendolino, based on the need for tilting, a dislike of articulation, and some of the theoretical renders put out by Amtrak.
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Old August 14th, 2016, 02:16 AM   #6480
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The Euroduplex is four inches shorter than the Bombardier Multilevel, which is built for the restrictive heights of the NEC.

That said, I personally expect something along the lines of the Pendolino, based on the need for tilting, a dislike of articulation, and some of the theoretical renders put out by Amtrak.
That's true, on first thought I did think of NJT's multilevels. However, I know there are some rather short bridges, further north - in CT, maybe - that might cause issues.

I do think the Pendolinos are probably favored, as well, but they're not articulated? Or is such a configuration simply a possibility?
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