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Old February 3rd, 2017, 07:37 PM   #6701
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Technically, you were just reiterating your initial point.
As a means of concurrence, yes.
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Old February 3rd, 2017, 11:11 PM   #6702
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Old February 7th, 2017, 10:38 PM   #6703
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Bullet train nails down options on 30 percent of land needed for Dallas-Houston route

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The developer of the high-speed rail line between Dallas and Houston has reached option agreements on about 30 percent of the land estimated to be needed for the bullet train’s route in the 10-county stretch.

Texas Central, the developer, called the acquisition options a “significant milestone” for the controversial project.
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A “substantial portion” of the initial survey work has been completed and is continuing where needed, the developer said.
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Old February 8th, 2017, 08:17 AM   #6704
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Shinzo Abe intends to propose during a meeting with U.S. President Donald Trump on Feb. 10 a bilateral economic cooperation plan, including the creation of a $450 billion (¥51 trillion) market through railways and other infrastructure investments in the US to generate 700,000 jobs.

http://the-japan-news.com/news/article/0003498622


Abe wants to sell America its Maglev. Trump smells an opportunity I'm sure to get Japan to front much of the risk and cost.

Japan needs an international buyer for its trains and America has a good record of protecting IP theft. Trump will likely want the trains built in America or at least a partnership.

Japan wants a high profile wealthy nation to buy its system to prove that the trains can work outside the country. As well as to absorb some of the R&D costs that have been sunk into the Maglev. Other than Tokyo Osaka, there's isn't really another good corridor for the tech. This tech essentially replaces short haul flights.

Washington NYC Boston is a perfect corridor.

London Paris is another good one but that will never be non Euro trains. Other large population centres are either too far from each other or are in countries that cannot justify the expense.
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Old February 8th, 2017, 11:23 AM   #6705
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Washington NYC Boston is a perfect corridor.
In theory, absolutely, but the NEC is also one of the most politically difficult areas to get anything built in. An NEC maglev based on the Chuo Shinkansen will take a miracle.
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Old February 8th, 2017, 06:10 PM   #6706
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The maglev and would be nice as would improved rail service throughout the northeast
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Old February 8th, 2017, 08:31 PM   #6707
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Other large population centres are either too far from each other or are in countries that cannot justify the expense.
In theory at least there are few more in rich countries, for example Toronto-Montreal and Sydney-Melbourne.
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Old February 8th, 2017, 10:29 PM   #6708
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In theory, absolutely, but the NEC is also one of the most politically difficult areas to get anything built in. An NEC maglev based on the Chuo Shinkansen will take a miracle.


Of course the beauty of the Maglev is that given its speed and noise issues and requiring a greenfield implementation it would likely be tunnelled deep underground anyhow. Less disruptive than trying to build HSR through the NEC... and likely not run by Amtrak.
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Old February 9th, 2017, 06:09 AM   #6709
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Seattle to Vancouver in an hour: Is that our future?

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The dream is to send super-fast trains — the type capable of going 250 miles per hour — between Seattle and Vancouver, B.C.

Gov. Jay Inslee wants to see if that dream, which has drawn some heavyweight business-sector interest, is feasible. And he wants the Washington Legislature to spend $1 million to find out.
http://crosscut.com/2017/02/seattle-...at-our-future/
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Old February 10th, 2017, 03:37 AM   #6710
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Trump laments lack of 'fast trains' in US during meeting with airline execs

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President Trump lamented the lack of high-speed rail service in the U.S. during his meeting with top airline executives on Thursday.

“You go to China, you go to Japan, they have fast trains all over the place,” Trump said.
Meeting attendees included the CEOs for Delta Air Lines, United Airlines, Southwest Airlines, Alaska Airlines, and JetBlue Airways.

"I don’t want to compete with your business, but we don’t have one fast train,” Trump said to laughs.

Trump was discussing the need to modernize the country’s infrastructure during the sit-down, which is just the latest in a series of “listening sessions” between the new administration and various business leaders. They also talked about jobs, economic growth and tax reform during the aviation meeting.
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Old February 10th, 2017, 08:02 PM   #6711
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Why doesn't he use his tweeting pulpit to force these airline companies to invest in rail.
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Old February 10th, 2017, 09:23 PM   #6712
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From the California High-Speed Rail Authority

"Photos from Con-Fab California in Lathrop where they are casting the largest girders ever produced in the state. These girders are 172 feet 2 inches and weigh an incredible 210,000 pounds. These girders will be part of a viaduct being built as part of Construction Package 1."















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Old February 10th, 2017, 09:50 PM   #6713
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Old February 11th, 2017, 04:41 AM   #6714
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Bullet train agency cleared to buy two parcels in downtown Los Angeles

The California bullet train agency received clearance Friday to buy its first pieces of property in Los Angeles, two parcels along the Hollywood Freeway in downtown Los Angeles.

The state Public Works Board authorized the acquisition, allowing the California High-Speed Rail Authority to purchase the land at 718 and 728 Commercial St. along the freeway.

The high-speed rail is many years away from any construction in Los Angeles, but part of the project involves early investments in projects that will be used later.

The Commercial Street property is part of a plan to build run-through tracks at Union Station, allowing current trains to stop at the station platforms and continue straight through. The trains currently have to back up out of the station, delaying travel by 15 or 20 minutes.
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Old February 11th, 2017, 03:59 PM   #6715
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Obama wanted to be the high-speed rail president. It might be Trump instead.

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Could Donald Trump be the president who brings high-speed rail to America?
The Obama administration spent nearly $10 billion to improve passenger rail service across the country. While it accomplished that goal to some degree, it did not build the faster trains passengers can ride in Europe, Japan and China.
Trains in other countries can travel 200 mph or more, but no train in the United States as yet travels faster than 150 mph. Most go much more slowly than that.
Trump has proposed a $1 trillion investment in U.S. infrastructure, and he has expressed interest in improving roads, bridges, airports and passenger trains.
The subject came up in a White House news conference Friday with Japan’s prime minister, Shinzo Abe.
Through a translator, Abe said Trump would make “major-scale investments” in infrastructure, including high-speed rail.
He said Japanese technology could cut the travel time between Washington and New York to one hour from the current three.
Before a meeting with airline executives on Thursday, Trump had openly lamented the lack of high-speed rail in the United States.
“I don’t want to compete with your business,” Trump said, “but we don’t have one fast train.”
Funding, though, remains a huge hurdle. Trump hasn’t been very specific about how he’d pay for these investments, other than to say the private sector would have a more important role. Getting federal money could be difficult, as a Republican-led Congress is expected to look aggressively for ways to save money.
Political and regulatory barriers, such as those recently experienced in California, can discourage private interests from spending the massive amount of capital that’s needed upfront.
Giving private participants certainty about their investment would remove one of the biggest barriers to getting projects off the ground, said Rob Puentes, president and CEO of the Eno Center for Transportation, a Washington policy group.
“The private folks will take on ridership risks, things they can control,” he said. “It’s the things they can’t control.”
Trump, a Manhattan real estate developer, knows well from his own personal and business experience as a native of the nation’s largest city about the ability of rail systems to move people around and between dense population centers.
“He fully understands the value of rail investment and the ability of rail to move lots of people in and out, which is very promising,” said Andy Kunz, president and CEO of the U.S. High Speed Rail Association,a trade group.
Trump’s remarks drew praise from one of his biggest critics, and one of high-speed rail’s biggest promoters, Democratic California Gov. Jerry Brown. “California’s ready,” he tweeted Thursday.
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Old February 12th, 2017, 08:12 PM   #6716
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Wouldn't be easier and cheaper to upgrade the existing NEC and use the remaining money to upgrade the transit systems in the cities served by NEC? Either way Congress won't allow it due to tax and ideology reasons unless Trumps convinces them.
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Old February 12th, 2017, 09:38 PM   #6717
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Wouldn't be easier and cheaper to upgrade the existing NEC and use the remaining money to upgrade the transit systems in the cities served by NEC? Either way Congress won't allow it due to tax and ideology reasons unless Trumps convinces them.
A mixture of upgrading and augmenting is what is currently planned. In some cases, you just NEED to add capacity, improve travel times, and replace worn-out infrastructure. In Baltimore, the B&P Tunnel has deteriorated to the point where plans no longer call for it to be used for commuter rail-it just isn't capable of handling anything in the long term.

Congress certainly would like to not allow anything that doesn't directly line their own personal pockets. However, sooner or later something is going to go wrong in a BIG way, and when the economic effects tumble out across the country, they'll be forced to confront their own stupidity. I just hope that no lives are lost in the process. To put it simply, there are enough major bridges and tunnels in poor enough condition to make this inevitable.
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Old February 13th, 2017, 09:42 AM   #6718
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The fascinatingly ironic thing about high speed trains is that the states with the most viable routes, NEC, California, and Washington all voted against him.

I suspect these kind of projects for the blue states will be his attempt to be a 2 term president.

Texas is a different story. They have a viable plan but due to land population dynamics it's relatively easy and predictable to build the route.
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Old February 13th, 2017, 10:33 AM   #6719
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I ignored it initially, but since this has been making the rounds - and reflects some sort of amnesia of many people on this thread/forum - I figured it would be prescient to offer a reminder:

The Huge Obama Transportation Bill You Heard Nothing About
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...It reflects the unspoken recognition that no matter how much Republicans say they care about infrastructure, they’re not going to accept any infrastructure proposals that come from President Barack Obama. They opposed his $50 billion “roads, rails and runways” proposal in 2010, and then again when it was expanded and incorporated into his American Jobs Act in 2011...[and a proposal for an] infrastructure bank...They’ve also blocked Obama’s proposals for corporate tax reform, which is relevant, because the new GROW AMERICA Act depends on tax reform for much of its financing.

Obama did manage to squeeze one massive infrastructure bill through Congress—yes, you guessed it, his stimulus bill, which passed during his first month in office despite near-unanimous opposition from Republicans. GROW AMERICA would extend many of the innovations from the stimulus bill—including high-speed passenger rail, public-private partnerships to expand freight rail, and TIGER, a popular competitive grant program for innovative projects that don’t fit into a classic transportation silo. But there’s been some scaling back. For example, just three years after the President proposed a $53 billion investment in high-speed rail —and got nothing out of Congress—he is now requesting just $5 billion.
But that’s just a bow to political reality. Republicans say nice things about infrastructure but haven’t shown any interest in paying for it.
Of course, we know what Surface Transportation Bill was eventually passed.

Republicans in Congress remain just as intransigent on fiscal stimulus as always. If he's able to move McConnell and Ryan, good for him (and surprise for me, because it's much more likely to be in the reverse, given what we've observed so far), but I'm still doubtful any infrastructure bill won't shortchange the investments we really want/need for the ones we don't. They've shown this tendency time and again.

Or else, they'll just have to admit it wasn't the policies but was really something else about the last president that they just couldn't stomach...

I really don't know why people seem to think the narrative was, "HSR. $8 billion. Done!" It's honestly quite annoying...or the weird discrepancies in the way CAHSR gets reported vs. TXCentral and All Aboard Florida.


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Wouldn't be easier and cheaper to upgrade the existing NEC and use the remaining money to upgrade the transit systems in the cities served by NEC? Either way Congress won't allow it due to tax and ideology reasons unless Trumps convinces them.
That's quintessentially what every single plan has called for, really. Upgrade the existing corridor to be more reliable and increase capacity: in some areas, this means retrofitting existing infrastructure, in others it means adding new infrastructure.

Also, I'm no longer certain if media outlets employ "Amtrak's plan..." truly in reference to Amtrak's Vision (which, as the name would suggest is just that - at least, in regards to trackside capital projects) or the FRA's more comprehensive NEC Future (which builds upon Amtrak's wants and is meant to serve as a means of coordinating local/state/agency priorities along the entire corridor, so that we end up with upgrades that work to achieve similar ends).

I have a suspicion that the first article confused the two - for no other reason than it seemed confused about literally everything else ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Old February 16th, 2017, 07:12 PM   #6720
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Wouldn't be easier and cheaper to upgrade the existing NEC and use the remaining money to upgrade the transit systems in the cities served by NEC? Either way Congress won't allow it due to tax and ideology reasons unless Trumps convinces them.


The existing system is owned by Amtrak, public rail. A Maglev would likely be partially public and partially private owned. This corridor is perfect for it to be honest. And although i have no political opinion Trump seems to prefer private business to government owned ones.

I could see him passing legislation to ease restrictions. In Japan, where property laws are strong the government passed a bill that allowed construction under 40m below ground to not require purchase of land above. In other words they didn't have to buy expensive Tokyo land if they were 40m below ground (120’). Similar kinds of Legislation could be added in the corridor to make it more feasible to construct such a line in the NEC.
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